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muse42 said:
I grow 4 plants under 250 CFL on a two month loop and get at least an ounce per plant.  I flower at 1 foot.  You could easily get an ounce or more off each plant, but more lights always helps.  I would get some bowl reflectors for sure.

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muse42 said:
Some day soon I hope. Just not ready to invest the money until I know what I'm doing a bit more.

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muse42 said:
We will see how the current grow goes.  My first two were Mexican bag seed and took 13 weeks to flower but Jesus Christ was it worth it.
I do want to move up in light.  My space is small, 6 sq. feet with 5 feet of height.  Could I go higher than 250

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Yes sir you could go bigger in that space.  I also grow in a 2x3x5 space and use a 400 watt HPS and a 120watt LED with no issues.

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muse42 said:
We will see how the current grow goes.  My first two were Mexican bag seed and took 13 weeks to flower but Jesus Christ was it worth it.
I do want to move up in light.  My space is small, 6 sq. feet with 5 feet of height.  Could I go higher than 250

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muse42 said:
Would this be a suitable 250 watt light in anyones experience?
hell the 400 watt is $10 more...

http://www.texashydroponics.com/shop/product.php?productid=660&cat=3&page=1

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Yeah, that is a nice jump in watts for only 10 bucks. I'd go with the 400.

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Magash said:
Your using 105 watts of lighting now. Go up 45watts and get a 150 hps and double the light. I guess I'm just a cfl hater. (other then seedlings and clones and to be honest I don't like them for seedlings). I see so many people spending two months growing a weeks worth of smoke.

People keep making the mistake of comparing like wattage bulbs but they should be checking the light output. I hear the "cfl lights are cooler" crap and it's just that, crap. Remember 250 watts of cfl light runs cooler then 250 watts of hid light but it only takes 75 watts of hid light to get the light output of the 250 watts worth of cfl's.

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Keep spreading the truth!!  Every other cultivation forum on the internet is filled with the falsities of CFL usage to which you allude.  I couldn't count how many times I've read someone claiming they could let they're plants rest against CFL bulbs (They will always burn plants if the bulb's wattage is above 27watts). Or, as Magash mentioned, the ridiculous claims that CFLs put out very little heat- this is utter nonsense, 300watts (for example) of CFLs puts out a lot of heat and requires very good ventilation.

Another falsity is that they only produce fluffy buds; my experience is that you can indeed grow dense buds under CFL's---- You just can't get much past the one ounce per 100watts of CFL ratio. 

I've personally grown a few plants under a temporary, custom-built 330watt CFL board and was able to achieve slightly better than the one ounce per 100watt mark (so I was getting a bit more than 3 ounces from a single clone), BUUUTTTTT the cost of the rest of the setup (fertilizers, ventilation, etc.) was about 10x the cost of the CFL board my friend built.   This would have been a nonsensical use of money, but I was purchasing all the ferts, etc. under the assumption of moving in an HPS shortly thereafter.

So myself, even as someone who was able to grow ounces of dense, frosty buds under just CFLs, my opinion is it's a waste of resources---- CFLs kinda suck.  Again, CFls are not "cooler running" than HPS; and CFLs put out less light per watt than HPS bulbs.

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agmotes165 said:

Psuper, do you think that adding a 90W LED setup in the Red-Blue spectrum to ~450W of CFLs in a 2.5 x 2.5 foot area would be able to get somewhere between .5 and 1oz per 100W? I'm just wondering bc I currently dont have the money for an HID but i have this CFL and LED setup from long ago and was trying to shoot for a couple of oz. out of a 2.5 x 2.5 area.

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agmotes165 said:

I know it all depends on genetics and care and what not...but what would i need to get yields that high?

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