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I don't think that's what he was doing. People every day do just that (making cannabutter and oil) and get a perfectly good recreational high.  Additionally he himself submerges the herb in fat (go read the part about LARD) after decarbing his cannabis. His method enhances and modifies the psychoactive compounds, but doesn't preclude the practice of standard edibles.

@ Paleo: since this post I've been looking into those methods, and for my wife (a medical user) there are some things in the pre-decarb that are very appealing not just in terms of potency, but in terms of medicinal compounds in the final product.
Finally, you won't find me using pork-fat like you do, but I do acknowledge that (while it does have more overall fat than butter by about 20 mg per serving) it has a lower saturated fat count; I can see the argument for using lard, I just can't justify the additional ten calories per mg.

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I have NEVER been able to get off by using an edible. And thus far my method has usually been to cook the ground bud directly in butter for a bit (and then often milk would be added... most of these experiments were more pharmacological in nature, than culinary). But I never got more than a mild buzz.

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and yet no one is DECARBING THEIR WEED BEFORE MAKING EDIBLES..



ack, BRILLIANT!1

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I have NEVER been able to get off by using an edible. And thus far my method has usually been to cook the ground bud directly in butter for a bit (and then often milk would be added... most of these experiments were more pharmacological in nature, than culinary). But I never got more than a mild buzz.

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Wow.  The very first time I ate cannabis I had heavy narcotic and psychedelic effects.  I combined 2 tablespoons of real butter in a small sauce pan with a gram of bud.  I cooked it for 2-3 minutes on good heat - but not frying it.  Then I dumped in a can of spaghetti-o pasta and cooked it another 5 minutes until really hot. 

I ate all of it and then went to movies with my girlfriend.  I was completely floored.  I recall it was a pretty gross horror flick and I almost puked a couple of times because it was fucking with my mind.

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I have NEVER been able to get off by using an edible. And thus far my method has usually been to cook the ground bud directly in butter for a bit (and then often milk would be added... most of these experiments were more pharmacological in nature, than culinary). But I never got more than a mild buzz.

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Wow.  The very first time I ate cannabis I had heavy narcotic and psychedelic effects.  I combined 2 tablespoons of real butter in a small sauce pan with a gram of bud.  I cooked it for 2-3 minutes on good heat - but not frying it.  Then I dumped in a can of spaghetti-o pasta and cooked it another 5 minutes until really hot. 

I ate all of it and then went to movies with my girlfriend.  I was completely floored.  I recall it was a pretty gross horror flick and I almost puked a couple of times because it was fucking with my mind.

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That's a shitty thing to say.  I like the way I make my edibles and have no regrets. 

Would you tell people they fuck "wrong" if they didn't screw the same way as you?

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Heat is what decarboxylates your bud, so if you just make regular old cannabutter or infused olive oil (which btw is WAY more healthy than your artery-murdering lard)

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This seems to be a good idea, but I really don't feel like trying it.  I am very happy with my edibles.

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Though in reality, I'm just a guy really high on edibles - exclusively, I don't smoke anymore - and who likes to stay that way. I just get my kicks helping others do the same.

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Honestly guys, there is no real reason NOT to take this guy's (or girl's) advice, and give it a whirl. For starters, not smoking your medication drastically reduces your chances of contracting a chronic respiratory illness. Secondly, it would reduce the amount of material needed for each batch, thus making intensely strong batches quite inexpensive to make.

Agree with CrayolaHalls that "squeezing every bit of high" out is a bit excessive, which is why I don't agree with keeping the roughage in the mix. I always strain the vegetative matter, as it can cause gastrointestinal issues (mainly really stinky gas). Also, I don't like the feeling like there's hay in my brownies!



I've got an ounce of shake that I've had sitting in my closet for a minute. I have an excess of both budder and tincture at the moment, and I think I'll try and convince my wife to let me do some experimenting.

I'm thinking of doing four separate tests. I'll do two batches of budder and two batches of tincture. One of each of them will be of straight unadulterated shake, the other will be of decarboxylated shake.

Seven grams of shake for each test isn't too much to use to see if these results are true or the ravings of someone with a bit too much mold in his edible stash...

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Your replies painted you in my head as a bit of a dick, but it's not a big deal. No worries.   Crumbled, crushed cannabis, baked in an oven for 2 hours at 220F exactly, with a lid (that is not airtight) will convert your cannabis into the most potent raw material it can be without multiple phase extraction methods. If you don't like the complicated truth about decarboxylating, I don't know what to tell you.  Did you not even bother to read the (apparently too lengthy, since you skipped it) posts where I linked to patents providing proof-positive?

An Open Challenge To The Growery

Pleasantly tripping (yes, tripping) on edibles, I hope my thoughts are being expressed coherently and in the way I am understanding them when I think to myself.  I always have to keep reminding myself of who I'm writing for.  I'll tell you, I write this for us, the cannna-isseur's, the herbalists, the beginner and intermediate basement-shamans. I'll also tell you why it's relevant: We are fairly paranoid about wasting our herbs, and we're very stuck in our ways.

I chose to migrate to Growery out of all the large forums (after being banned by some loser "Budslinger" at GC) because I find Growery and Shroomery users incredibly chill, open minded and informative. I think it's funny that my posts are mostly ignored here, but it might just be the slower activity of the edible forum, specifically. I think it's even funnier that the major marijuana community hasn't figured this stuff out yet - it's all documented in plain sight. The slowness of all MJ edible sections in various sites is representative of the lack of knowledge, or howto, to preparing and finally having a successful oral marijuana experience. The online marijuana "community" doesn't really know what they're doing when it comes to producing marijuana that is highly orally active - as active as it can be. 

My challenge: just try decarboxylating first with a small amount of herb.  Simply try the 2 hour decarboxylate method just once, before dismissing the entire science behind the technique.  Remember, it's all love, guys. Even if only a few people actually end up trying it, it'll spread through them to others, and eventually to a significant portion of users ad infinitum, because it's the real deal.  Alternatively, you can vape your bud at 220F or your lowest setting multiple times, so you don't waste any terpenoids.  After that, I reccomend still decarboxylating in the oven at 220 until there is only the distinct smell of terpene-free herb (smells like ABV).  An hour does the trick for decarboxylating some ABV that was vaped on the lowlow. I still go for the 2 hours because more free cannabinoids and less carboxyl cannabinoids is always good, and when you're decarboxylating low at 220F - CBN degrading to THC is a non-issue. 

Change is bad, I get it!

Change sucks. I know, I totally get it.  You can't just appear on a forum or a real life gathering, and say "Check it. Bake your buds for 2 hours until they're light brown, then fry them in an animal, olive or coconut oil until the buds turn brown-black.  Don't throw away the plant material, there's always some cannabinoids left in them.  Oh, and eat a good meal before and with the dose.  Hell, throw in a grapefruit and some ginko or tumeric and you're in for a ride!" While it sure works, and there is scientific reasons why all those things are reccomended, That doesn't mean everyone likes your new idea or will try it.  It doesn't work like that. In retrospect, and in re-reading my summation, no wonder half of the users in cyberspace think I'm a troll, and to the other half I'm a(n obsessive) nut.

Whenever you try to challenge conventional wisdom, or the way someone's been doing it for a while, you'll encounter that.  Same thing happens in vegetarian vs. paleolithic eater arguments.  Guess which side I'm on? Half the users will think you're trollin' (and hatin'), the other half will probably still never research facts themselves.  Expecting any other response from the collective community online would be incredibly stupid.  Maybe that's why I'm writing in this in the first place?

It would all be worth it if...

Fortunately, to a small fraction of intermediate to expert herbalists - I'm a champion of edible way.  These are the herbalists who appreciate the complete "holistic" approach I describe in my writing.  They are the blades who appreciate me infusing the chemistry details (decarboxylation, frying brown) and biology (first pass, enzyme inhibition) of the art - they like the answers and complete understanding it provides. 

Though in reality, I'm just a guy really high on edibles - exclusively, I don't smoke anymore - and who likes to stay that way. I just get my kicks helping others do the samee.  Maybe I'll throw together an oven decarb pictorial-technique, so you guys will see exactly what I'm talking about.  Later on, some more interesting stuff, like soxhlet pictorials for saving the terpenes lost during the oven bake.

Till' next time,
Paleo

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Hi Paleo,

I'm very thankfull for the info you so freely share.  I like your style.  I also do a lot of things similar to you, ie lots of testing to see the results for myself and then to tweek it to perfection.  Keep it up.  You seem like the sort of friend that I would physically like to have.

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anyone using a microwave to cure their herbs is mentally stunted because ..........

YOU CAN NOT CONTROL THE TEMPS IN A FUCKING MICROWAVE

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im both. haha. but thats cool.



have you guys been to any 3rd world country? where people dont read any of whats on this forums, or simply dont give a damn whatsoever?

if you guys knew how expensive lpg is in here, youd get some of my point, anyway,

those microwave shit im talking about, paleo also mentioned that if im not mistaken... even ed rosenthal, im sure i read it somewhere..

if this will strengthen my argument, i made a batch utilizing 2/8 oz. of mediocre buds... guess what happened.

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i got a question