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 chickenbiscuits
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 Re: co2 gotta call out a mod  [Re: maryanne3087]
#466843 - 08/24/10 08:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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alright your the jokester... im off the penis stuff
and nowhere near convinced co2 isnt worth it
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 Harry_Ba11sach
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So if you only have a $200 to start growing, is CO2 worth it?
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chickenbiscuits
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you got me on that one.
To get a good room goin you need at least a few grand.
I dont think you could do much with 200 and indoor in general. I guess a cabinet with some flouros.....
I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.
3 weeks ago i had 3 half gallon jars from the light dep.. Big Budddha Cheese, Mendo Madness, and Black Domina. The mendo's gone, cheese gone, i got the main top off the Black D left and thats it. Time to break out 3 new strains for September!
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Harry_Ba11sach
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you can do plenty with $200 and a cabinet as long as you're smart about were you spend your money. Nearly every single new grower who comes to this website has less than $500 to spend on supplies, so CO2 is absolutely useless. Which is why I question your sanity when you ask questions like;
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WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2???? I want to see some evidence for a good ventilation system.
I've called you out on that several times in this thread, and you've still yet to acknowledge that it's a legitimate argument. You're so obsessed with CO2 being the be-all end-all of indoor growing that you're not even sure about what point you're trying to make.
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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????
Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense 
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chickenbiscuits
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well im glad your calling me out on the post and not all the nitty gritty anymore. you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science.
Im starting to like you a little more harry. Im sensing a little less hostility and a little more insight into this post.
Mainly it was magash's comments in old posts that sparked me up. He was turning lots of people off co2. Although he gets the kinda yields im talking about on those connoisseur strains, most people dont have it that well off. With a little math and the money co2 is an easy way to see better overall productivity.
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maryanne3087
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We all know that chickenbiscuit is on crack when he says 250% yield increase, as everyone I know who has dabbled in co2 will say 15% yield increase IF dialed in.
Neville said he used co2 and got a 30% increase in yield.. however the increase was only applicable to leaf mass.
My argument is for installing that AC, Dehumidifier, Co2 tank + regulator/controller you can install another couple of lights with a much more predictable yield increase for far less $$. On a small scale if you have the floorspace adding 2kw light to a 2kw operation is a 100% increase in yield.
250% increase in yield is laughable when you see how full a canopy is to hit a gram a watt or anywhere close. Imagine adding 250% more bud to one of Magash's SoGs which he says are around 1gr/watt.
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Mr. Kite
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 's not drugs.
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maryanne3087
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you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science
You don't understand basic chemistry yet you claim to be a good grower. Interesting.
Growing pot isn't exactly hard, it's the easiest most vigorous and of the most forgiving plants to grow.
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Inverted
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I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.
Hahahah you smoke 6-7+ grams per day? Somehow I doubt that.
You are so full of BS your eyes are brown.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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well im glad your calling me out on the post and not all the nitty gritty anymore. you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science.
Im starting to like you a little more harry. Im sensing a little less hostility and a little more insight into this post.
Mainly it was magash's comments in old posts that sparked me up. He was turning lots of people off co2. Although he gets the kinda yields im talking about on those connoisseur strains, most people dont have it that well off. With a little math and the money co2 is an easy way to see better overall productivity.
The nitty gritty is by FAR the most important part. How is anyone supposed to respect your points when you clearly don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? Someone who says to me that H2O is 1/3rd oxygen and therefore good for the roots as an air source is immediately discounted. It makes you look like a joke, and it makes your points look like the inane ramblings of a homeless man in a subway.
yeah, a 15% increase in leaf mass is a major plus for my gardens productivity 
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maryanne3087
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
#466882 - 08/24/10 09:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.
Hahahah you smoke 6-7+ grams per day? Somehow I doubt that.
You are so full of BS your eyes are brown.
I know a few people who smoke a couple oz a week. Good homegrown too. They're not exactly the most productive individuals though.
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chickenbiscuits
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
#466883 - 08/24/10 09:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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We all know that chickenbiscuit is on crack when he says 250% yield increase, as everyone I know who has dabbled in co2 will say 15% yield increase IF dialed in.
Neville said he used co2 and got a 30% increase in yield.. however the increase was only applicable to leaf mass.
My argument is for installing that AC, Dehumidifier, Co2 tank + regulator/controller you can install another couple of lights with a much more predictable yield increase for far less $$. On a small scale if you have the floorspace adding 2kw light to a 2kw operation is a 100% increase in yield.
250% increase in yield is laughable when you see how full a canopy is to hit a gram a watt or anywhere close. Imagine adding 250% more bud to one of Magash's SoGs which he says are around 1gr/watt.
ok that 250 is off thee hydrofarm graph.. and thats total productivity.. faster veg and biggeer flowers.
as far as a sog 1/w goes.. How many plants does that take to fill up a 7x14space? (i only use multiples of 6,7, or 8 foot squares in a room cause im a huge believer in the solar revolution) lets say 4800w to go smaller
thats 98sq ft. One typical sog calls for 4plants/sq ft. Thats 400 plants! f*** that! throw 36 in there and you can still 1g/w w co2 and not too much extra veg!
All in all thats about a $10-15,000 grow though.
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chickenbiscuits
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
#466886 - 08/24/10 09:17 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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I smoke over 5lbs a year though, how could i be ok with just a cabinet.
Hahahah you smoke 6-7+ grams per day? Somehow I doubt that.
You are so full of BS your eyes are brown.
I know a few people who smoke a couple oz a week. Good homegrown too. They're not exactly the most productive individuals though.
dude theres so many days i smoke more than a quarter! Thats like 2 big blunts or 3 big joints!! HAHA
1 or 2oz a day come october!
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Harry_Ba11sach
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(i only use multiples of 6,7, or 8 foot squares in a room cause im a huge believer in the solar revolution) .
The fuck do the numbers 6,7, or 8 have to do with solar power?
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maryanne3087
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not 30%... your plants can grow 250% what they do otherwise.
What does 250% more productivity mean? Most commercial growers don't care about faster veg and only final weight.
What does not too much extra veg mean? Every day of veg is like another day and a half of flowering or if you care a huge drop in your actual productivity grams/kilowatt hour.
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Inverted
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Ok well I have never heard of anyone smoking over 10 g's a day. Magash said that's how much Soma smokes...
I have an unlimited supply and I still only smoke 2g's a day.
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
#466895 - 08/24/10 09:26 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ok well I have never heard of anyone smoking over 10 g's a day. Magash said that's how much Soma smokes...
I have an unlimited supply and I still only smoke 2g's a day.
You forgot me already.
I've been known to average 10+ daily for a long time now.
Tho I'm taking a bit of a tolerance break for the next few weeks, a waiting harvest.
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chickenbiscuits
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: Inverted]
#466902 - 08/24/10 09:33 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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inverted
im on unlimited medicine too man, I smoke joints and blunts all day.
i always have burned at least 2 joints by noon. Im at an eighth right there already then throughout the day, and night time is a whole bunch o smokin
harry
6,7, and 8 ft sqaures are sizes you can use with 4 rotating lights on a solar revolution. AKA the new sun circle light mover.
marryanne
most commercial growers that you speak of grow hundreds of plants
most any legitimate cali indoor grower would love a faster veg time!
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maryanne3087
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Nice job avoiding the questions.
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chickenbiscuits
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Re: co2 gotta call out a mod [Re: maryanne3087]
#466950 - 08/24/10 10:18 PM (14 years, 3 months ago) |
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sorry
not too much extra veg.. 3 weeks instead of 1week or only a few days
Traditional cali indoors usually veg up to 2 months. Your filling out a bigger pot, at least 5gal, i like to go with custom made smart pot type 15gal pots.
the 250 thing is a hydrofarm figure did u read that link in the origonal post? good info
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