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also some other old turnoffs ive read for the co2 is not having the l/sq ft

first of all w/sq ft barely means jack.. i dont know why everyone on here talks in w/sq ft go by the Lumens. Theres so many different lumen ratings hps/mh/cfl now theres high output hps that throws out 95000 lumens on a 600w. A bottom of the line 1000w hps throws out 107000 lumens... Thats almost the same on a 600 as the 1000.

Light Movers are key to co2 is what im really getting at.

Throw a solar revolution on a 6000 l/sq ft grow and it barely puts into an applicable co2 enrichment rate. 6000x 130% = 7800 l/sq ft or what ya really want... 7500 l/sq ft with a good light mover...

7500x130% = 9750 l/sq ft OPTIMAL! co2 enrichment lighting. you can also blend spectrums w revolutions.

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When there is this excess water in the air EVERYTHING happens faster. from photosynthesis to how fast the roots get oxygen.

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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????

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Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense

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a room with no co2 enrichment will usually sit 40%rH at the high range alotta guys like 25% even... co2 enriched 10deg rise in temp creates an atmosphere that will hold 50% more water then the rise in rH to 50% on top of that.

assume thats true.. and that water is 1/3 oxygen...

there are only two ways cannabis roots absorb oxygen which is key in their role. air and water. so with the temp rise and the rH your giving the roots at least 60% more oxygen in the same time.

This is one of many factors.


EVERYTHING happens faster. you use twice as much water, nutrients, water in the air. and surely more light though not double.

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You've never taken chemistry have you? Yes water could be considered 1/3rd oxygen if you're simply going by the number of parts, but count the fact that oxygen weights 16 to 18 times more than hydrogen and you'll clearly see that's an absurd comment. SECONDLY, roots need O2 GAS, Not oxygen bonded into other molecules. By your logic I could just grow my roots in pure maple syrup because sugar is C6H12O6, so it must be 1/3 oxygen right?

A room with no CO2 enrichment will sit at whatever RH the ventilation and environment dictate. That EXACT SAME room with CO2 enrichment will sit at the EXACT SAME RH. My point here is that CO2 levels in no way influence the humidity.

THE ONLY part of your post that you were correct is that warmer air holds more humidity than cooler air.  I'm extremely dismayed that you're trying to persuade others to follow you like sheep when it's painfully obvious that you lack even the most rudimentary understanding of the concepts you so willingly defend.

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ya got me on the hydrogen being lighter than oxygen.. but that doesnt change my point either. its just not 1/3 the weight..

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As for Harry, i think you'd argue with the majority of cali growers about half the shit they say.

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but what is blatant to me, is that you are book smart about the shit but are lacking mere experience.

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I've been growing longer than you have my boy   In addition to that, I don't just run silly stoner experiments and see what gets me higher, I do large scale government-grant funded research projects in professional university greenhouses.  I bet I messed with more variables just last year than you have in your entire life.

You'll notice that I'm only arguing with you here on the stuff you're WRONG about. You seem to think that I'm just nitpicking your posts, but really I'm only picking on the shit you claim that's wildly incorrect. Sure, CO2 will help plants grow faster, that's common knowledge. You'll notice that nowhere in here did I say a thing about CO2 being bad for plants
The only time I've gone against your silly, borderline homo-erotic obsession with CO2 is in this post, and I think it's still a rather valid point, having nothing to do with CO2, but rather the fact that you seem to think people should recommend it to absolute beginners, which in my opinion is just downright stupid.

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When there is this excess water in the air EVERYTHING happens faster. from photosynthesis to how fast the roots get oxygen.

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Oh jesus lordy christ, please explain yourself.

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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????

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Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense

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I've heard a ton of stories like that and a lot of them are true. The problem is in order to get 10 to 15 lbs a plant your talking 30 feet tall (or taller actually) and 7 feet wide.

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ok definitely not... You guys are making mee wonder if you've really done much real norcal stuff.. Mendo and Humboldt both have kinda short seasons... Theres more to the triangle.

30ft tall... HAHAHAHA Ive seen 13lb plants only 14ft tall, about 17-18ft wide. Trained and pruned.

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Do you even actually have a brain in there?  He's obviously giving rough estimates for the size of the plant, not minimum height requirements

Once again, let me show you what greater than a middle school education can do for someone trying to prove a point;

30ft tall x 7 feet wide = ~210 cubic feet of plant

14ft tall x 17 feet wide = ~ 238 cubic feet of plant.

you guys are basically talking about the same size plant.

Oh, and we're still waiting for some pics for you to backup all your claims. I can say that I've grown a 200 gram cola, but until I post the pictures of it nobody has any reason to believe me

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WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2???? I want to see some evidence for a good ventilation system.

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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????

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Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense

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well im glad your calling me out on the post and not all the nitty gritty anymore. you know im not a scientist. but i know how to grow damn well, and that, I DO, have to a science.

Im starting to like you a little more harry. Im sensing a little less hostility and a little more insight into this post.


Mainly it was magash's comments in old posts that sparked me up. He was turning lots of people off co2. Although he gets the kinda yields im talking about on those connoisseur strains, most people dont have it that well off. With a little math and the money co2 is an easy way to see better overall productivity.

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The nitty gritty is by FAR the most important part. How is anyone supposed to respect your points when you clearly don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about? Someone who says to me that H2O is 1/3rd oxygen and therefore good for the roots as an air source is immediately discounted. It makes you look like a joke, and it makes your points look like the inane ramblings of a homeless man in a subway.

yeah, a 15% increase in leaf mass is a major plus for my gardens productivity

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(i only use multiples of 6,7, or 8 foot squares in a room cause im a huge believer in the solar revolution) .

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you can do plenty with $200 and a cabinet as long as you're smart about were you spend your money. Nearly every single new grower who comes to this website has less than $500 to spend on supplies, so CO2 is absolutely useless. Which is why I question your sanity when you ask questions like;

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WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2???? I want to see some evidence for a good ventilation system.

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I've called you out on that several times in this thread, and you've still yet to acknowledge that it's a legitimate argument. You're so obsessed with CO2 being the be-all end-all of indoor growing that you're not even sure about what point you're trying to make.

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I shouldve just stuck with the original post. WHY IS EVERYONE TRYING TO TURN ALL THESE NOOBS OFF CO2????

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Because noobs have enough to worry about without trying to balance CO2 production, A/C units and Dehumidifiers (all of which are necessary to run CO2 in a closed room). They have a hard enough time choosing between soil and hydro let along trying to figure out if they want tanks and solenoids or steady-stream propane burners. I think that's pretty much common sense

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Harry is obviously not the expert everyone thinks he is or his grows would be looking a lot better. he'd be up at least near 1g/w with those fine buds. The best thing he's got goin is his place at the growery!
oh ya and only two more posts til i can send all you dicks who pretend to know things, (when all you know is the book and lack experience), back a 0 out of 5 leaf!

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Please by all means point out to me where they are unhealthy

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