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 How do you feel about religion?? 
#458958 - 08/12/10 05:24 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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The video below is 26 mins long but ridiculously interesting.
Many of you may have already seen it but Im gona post anyways.
Enjoy.
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 Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#458974 - 08/12/10 06:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Religion is the root of all evil. I told my family that last christmas. They were utterly shocked.  Zeitgeist is interesting but should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#458989 - 08/12/10 06:31 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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FurrowedBrow said:
Religion is the root of all evil. I told my family that last christmas. They were utterly shocked. Zeitgeist is interesting but should be taken with a grain of salt.
Haha. Yeah I kinda choose to keep my beliefs to myself unless im drunk
lol. And yes you are right about zeitgeist. However I think the religion
section is pretty spot on.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#458991 - 08/12/10 06:34 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy.  You'd have to be, right?
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#458993 - 08/12/10 06:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy. You'd have to be, right?
Yeah I mean I dont see how else someone could so blindly believe
in such things. Its cool if you believe in god or a higher power
but to align urself with any type of religion is just crazyness like
you said.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459004 - 08/12/10 07:01 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I believe that souly putting 100% faith and devotion to one god would be partially insane in my eyes. I have faith in myself and my own abilities and attributes/experiences.
Eg. In the midst of a firefight during wartime.
I would solely rely on my own physical and mental strength/skills in order to prolong my survival and to do the job at hand effectively. I would not waste time praying to a omnipotent being in the hope that they would offer me some sort of miracle.
However this is a completely subjective view, some may find strength and guidance through their own beliefs and I totally respect that.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#459006 - 08/12/10 07:05 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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FurrowedBrow said:
I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy. You'd have to be, right?
They could be really genius though. Just lookin' at it from a different veiw. What if we are crazy for thinking that religion is? I mean yeah it doesnt make a lot of sense but still.
Who am I?
Where am I?
What am I?
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Mr. Kite]
#459010 - 08/12/10 07:10 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's no genius in that kind of crazy. Just like 'there's no love in fear'.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#459012 - 08/12/10 07:12 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's no genius in that kind of crazy. Just like 'there's no love in fear'.
Let me talk to you about god.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Mr. Kite]
#459017 - 08/12/10 07:15 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Go ahead....
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#459021 - 08/12/10 07:18 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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You responded in a way that I didnt think you would.
You win.
But according to someone I know
" god is dope
he kills them for looking into his box
epikk"
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Mr. Kite]
#459025 - 08/12/10 07:20 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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what do you believe in fb ?
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Mr. Kite]
#459028 - 08/12/10 07:23 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Mr. Kite said:
You responded in a way that I didnt think you would.
You win.
But according to someone I know
" god is dope
he kills them for looking into his box
epikk"
What in the fuck?
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459034 - 08/12/10 07:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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what do you believe in fb ?
There was a thread posted two days ago called, "any of you believe in God?" I've posted it in that thread
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/457893#457893
and
https://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/457929#457929
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow] 1
#459080 - 08/12/10 09:41 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Religion is the root of all evil. I told my family that last christmas. They were utterly shocked. Zeitgeist is interesting but should be taken with a grain of salt.
Being that many non-religious ideologies have fueled their share of crimes against humanity, i would say the real issue here is human nature
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#459081 - 08/12/10 09:46 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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FurrowedBrow said:
I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy. You'd have to be, right?
many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459099 - 08/12/10 10:30 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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More people have been killed in the name of god than anything else
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Kilroy]
#459123 - 08/12/10 11:00 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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More people have been killed in the name of god than anything else
You know, that's something I often see stated, but never substantiated. And being that atheism is a relatively new and rare phenomenon, I'm not sure it would state anything particularly nefarious about religion if it was.
Especially when considering the state of NK, the actions of the Khmer Rouge(sp), and the Holocaust
Also, it seems that most wars or actions that are justified via religion, are nothing more than age old competition over limited resources.
Darfur and the Israel/Palistine conflict(which started secular in nature and only became somewhat religiously oriented later on) are perfect examples of this
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo] 1
#459140 - 08/12/10 11:14 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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The overall message in most religions (at least the originals)
are very positive. But Christianity and Islam are the two main religions
in which they have been manipulated by the teachers and the students
to put in a level of fear, control, and hatred into anything that
does not run parallel to its own beliefs. This has caused war and death.
Among many or terrible things. I would continue but im busy. i will chime in again later.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459143 - 08/12/10 11:27 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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I find the Buddhist beliefs and life quite similar to my own beliefs however the part about abstaining from bodily pleasures and intoxicants?!?!
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459150 - 08/12/10 11:37 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Deadhearts haha 
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There's a conflict in every human heart
between the rational and the irrational,
between good and evil.
The good does not always triumph.
Sometimes the dark side overcomes
what Lincoln called the better
angels of our nature.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459155 - 08/12/10 11:39 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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derelict said:
I find the Buddhist beliefs and life quite similar to my own beliefs however the part about abstaining from bodily pleasures and intoxicants?!?!
I think in today's fucked up world we need some intoxicants to relax enough sometimes.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459175 - 08/13/10 12:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
The overall message in most religions (at least the originals)
are very positive. But Christianity and Islam are the two main religions
in which they have been manipulated by the teachers and the students
to put in a level of fear, control, and hatred into anything that
does not run parallel to its own beliefs. This has caused war and death.
Among many or terrible things. I would continue but im busy. i will chime in again later.
how is this any different than most human institutions? Let's face it, as a species, we're a pretty aggressive and angry lot
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Irishdrunk]
#459176 - 08/13/10 12:31 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hey Deadhearts haha
Whats up man. Gettin sick of OTD? lol.
Im done with the shroomery man. I will only be lurking
for mushroom cultivation information.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459177 - 08/13/10 12:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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kyuzo said:
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DeadHearts said:
The overall message in most religions (at least the originals)
are very positive. But Christianity and Islam are the two main religions
in which they have been manipulated by the teachers and the students
to put in a level of fear, control, and hatred into anything that
does not run parallel to its own beliefs. This has caused war and death.
Among many or terrible things. I would continue but im busy. i will chime in again later.
how is this any different than most human institutions? Let's face it, as a species, we're a pretty aggressive and angry lot
What do u mean institutions?? And yes we are but what more reason to
kill each other than over whos god is better
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459178 - 08/13/10 12:34 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Though less widely thought of in such a manner, Buddhism has it's own history of misery: the Himalayan wars between the red and yellow hats,the recently ended serfdom in the same states, and in the modern age we have the recently ended conflict in Sri Lanka
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459180 - 08/13/10 12:37 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Human institutions: Institutions are structures and mechanisms of social order and cooperation governing the behavior of a set of individuals within a given human collectivity. Institutions are identified with a social purpose and permanence, transcending individual human lives and intentions, and with the making and enforcing of rules governing cooperative human behavior.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institution
the cold war was largely based on which economic policy *others* decided to apply
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459181 - 08/13/10 12:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you watch the video that was posted?
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459188 - 08/13/10 12:56 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you watch the video that was posted?
http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459196 - 08/13/10 01:10 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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kyuzo said:
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DeadHearts said:
Did you watch the video that was posted?
http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/
We are talking about religion here. I know that the rest of the movie
is very questionable. If you watch it and do even a little bit of research then you may be surprised.
"That said, a lot of people claim that "I do not believe everything in the movie, but this thing seems true to me, so you should watch it." Just because something of substance might be found, does not make it a good / factual movie."
Bullshit
Dont believe everything you read.
This is just another persons opinion.
Do you feel religion to be a good thing?
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts] 1
#459204 - 08/13/10 01:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hmmmm....Religion how do I feel lets see.
Religion is nothing more then a way to try and control people. Do this and this will happen to you yadda yadda yadda crap.
The Story of Jesus just how original is it. Lets see.......
Krishna was around 1000 years before Jesus...He was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river.
The Persian God Mithra 600 years before Jesus......Born Dec 25, performed miracles, resurrected on the third day, known as the lamb, the way, the truth, the light.
Written in 1280 BC the book of the dead describes a god named Horus....He was said to be the son of God (Osiris), born of a virgin, baptized in a river by Anup the baptizer. Like Jesus Horus was tempted while alone in the desert. He healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons and walked on water, and raised Asar from the dead. (The name Asar translates to the name Lazarus the name of the guy Jesus raised from the dead), and he had 12 disciples. Oh yeah did I mention he was put to death on the cross-----1280 years before Jesus.
Is religion bad now....not sure how to answer this but I'm pretty sure when the Pope goes to a African nation where 50% of the people have aids and tells them not to use birth control that it may not be a good thing.
People are gonna believe what they believe whatever makes ya happy I guess.
Best movie on religion is Bill Raher Religulous
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4607507/Religulous_by_Bill_Maher
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459207 - 08/13/10 01:52 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:We are talking about religion here. I know that the rest of the movie
is very questionable. If you watch it and do even a little bit of research then you may be surprised.
they have an entire section dedicated to discussing the movies claims about religion
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DeadHearts said:Do you feel religion to be a good thing?
I would say religion is just as good, or bad, as the individual practicing it.
But I don't personally subscribe to any religious or spiritual ideas
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459213 - 08/13/10 02:47 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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When I perceive a tree, I would no longer be conscious of the tree; I would literally be
the tree.
The man who masters himself is delivered from the force that binds all creatures. GOETHE
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459244 - 08/13/10 06:39 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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The only religion I see for me is rastafari.
No churches, no temple; your body is the temple already.
Dont give a shit about the color of your skin.
I don't believe jesus came a 2nd time on earth as the king of ethiopia, but at least rastas don't shoot themselves with guns for stupid reasons.
They get high.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Magash]
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Hmmmm....Religion how do I feel lets see.
Religion is nothing more then a way to try and control people. Do this and this will happen to you yadda yadda yadda crap.
The Story of Jesus just how original is it. Lets see.......
Krishna was around 1000 years before Jesus...He was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river.
The Persian God Mithra 600 years before Jesus......Born Dec 25, performed miracles, resurrected on the third day, known as the lamb, the way, the truth, the light.
Written in 1280 BC the book of the dead describes a god named Horus....He was said to be the son of God (Osiris), born of a virgin, baptized in a river by Anup the baptizer. Like Jesus Horus was tempted while alone in the desert. He healed the sick, the blind, cast out demons and walked on water, and raised Asar from the dead. (The name Asar translates to the name Lazarus the name of the guy Jesus raised from the dead), and he had 12 disciples. Oh yeah did I mention he was put to death on the cross-----1280 years before Jesus.
Is religion bad now....not sure how to answer this but I'm pretty sure when the Pope goes to a African nation where 50% of the people have aids and tells them not to use birth control that it may not be a good thing.
People are gonna believe what they believe whatever makes ya happy I guess.
Best movie on religion is Bill Raher Religulous
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4607507/Religulous_by_Bill_Maher
Hi Magash hope all is going well my friend
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Kilroy]
#459461 - 08/13/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doing pretty well thanks. 
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459473 - 08/13/10 04:49 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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derelict said:
http://www.archive.org/details/NaturenurtureAppetites
http://www.archive.org/details/GenerationAfterGenerationtopologyVersion
How do these songs make you feel ?
Truthfully, not much of an emotional response at all. But I just find it really hard to care about the subject, in general; being that I'm an atheist and tend to be libertarian in my social views.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459497 - 08/13/10 05:43 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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kyuzo said:
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FurrowedBrow said:
I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy. You'd have to be, right?
many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence
Although this kind of christian may in fact exist...... I have never seen one
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: niteowl]
#459504 - 08/13/10 05:52 PM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's like a conspiracy, brah:
Liberal Christianity, broadly speaking, is a method of biblical hermeneutics, an undogmatic method of understanding God through the use of scripture by applying the same modern hermeneutics used to understand any ancient writings. Liberal Christianity does not claim to be a belief structure, and as such is not dependent upon any Church dogma or creedal statements. Unlike conservative varieties of Christianity, it has no unified set of propositional beliefs. The word liberal in liberal Christianity denotes a characteristic willingness to interpret scripture without any preconceived notion of inerrancy of scripture or the correctness of Church dogma.[2] A liberal Christian, however, may hold certain beliefs in common with traditional, orthodox, or even conservative Christianity.
In the 19th century, self-identified liberal Christians sought to elevate Jesus' humane teachings as a standard for a world civilization freed from cultic traditions and traces of "pagan" belief in the supernatural.[3] As a result, liberal Christians placed less emphasis on miraculous events associated with the life of Jesus than on his teachings. The effort to remove "superstitious" elements from Christian faith dates to intellectual reformist Christians such as Erasmus and the Deists in the 15th–17th centuries.[4] The debate over whether a belief in miracles was mere superstition or essential to accepting the divinity of Christ constituted a crisis within the 19th-century church, for which theological compromises were sought.[5]
Attempts to account for miracles through scientific or rational explanation were mocked even at the turn of the 19th–20th century.[6] A belief in the authenticity of miracles was one of five tests established in 1910 by the Presbyterian Church to distinguish true believers from false professors of faith such as "educated, 'liberal' Christians."[7]
Contemporary liberal Christians may prefer to read Jesus' miracles as metaphorical narratives for understanding the power of God.[8] Not all theologians with liberal inclinations reject the possibility of miracles, but may reject the polemicism that denial or affirmation entails.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity
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kyuzo said:
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I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy. You'd have to be, right?
many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence
Although this kind of christian may in fact exist...... I have never seen one
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: kyuzo]
#459802 - 08/14/10 03:42 AM (14 years, 4 months ago) |
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That sounds similar to gnosticism to me
Like I said, I have never seen such a christian ...but I live in the bible belt sooooo 
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