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 Re: How do you feel about religion??  [Re: FurrowedBrow]  1
#459080 - 08/12/10 09:41 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Religion is the root of all evil. I told my family that last christmas. They were utterly shocked.  Zeitgeist is interesting but should be taken with a grain of salt.
Being that many non-religious ideologies have fueled their share of crimes against humanity, i would say the real issue here is human nature
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#459081 - 08/12/10 09:46 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy.  You'd have to be, right?
many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: Kilroy]
#459123 - 08/12/10 11:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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More people have been killed in the name of god than anything else
You know, that's something I often see stated, but never substantiated. And being that atheism is a relatively new and rare phenomenon, I'm not sure it would state anything particularly nefarious about religion if it was.
Especially when considering the state of NK, the actions of the Khmer Rouge(sp), and the Holocaust
Also, it seems that most wars or actions that are justified via religion, are nothing more than age old competition over limited resources.
Darfur and the Israel/Palistine conflict(which started secular in nature and only became somewhat religiously oriented later on) are perfect examples of this
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459175 - 08/13/10 12:31 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The overall message in most religions (at least the originals)
are very positive. But Christianity and Islam are the two main religions
in which they have been manipulated by the teachers and the students
to put in a level of fear, control, and hatred into anything that
does not run parallel to its own beliefs. This has caused war and death.
Among many or terrible things. I would continue but im busy. i will chime in again later.
how is this any different than most human institutions? Let's face it, as a species, we're a pretty aggressive and angry lot
Edited by kyuzo (08/13/10 12:31 AM)
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459178 - 08/13/10 12:34 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Though less widely thought of in such a manner, Buddhism has it's own history of misery: the Himalayan wars between the red and yellow hats,the recently ended serfdom in the same states, and in the modern age we have the recently ended conflict in Sri Lanka
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459180 - 08/13/10 12:37 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Human institutions: Institutions are structures and mechanisms of social order and cooperation governing the behavior of a set of individuals within a given human collectivity. Institutions are identified with a social purpose and permanence, transcending individual human lives and intentions, and with the making and enforcing of rules governing cooperative human behavior.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institution
the cold war was largely based on which economic policy *others* decided to apply
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459188 - 08/13/10 12:56 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Did you watch the video that was posted?
http://conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: DeadHearts]
#459207 - 08/13/10 01:52 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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DeadHearts said:We are talking about religion here. I know that the rest of the movie
is very questionable. If you watch it and do even a little bit of research then you may be surprised.
they have an entire section dedicated to discussing the movies claims about religion
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DeadHearts said:Do you feel religion to be a good thing?
I would say religion is just as good, or bad, as the individual practicing it.
But I don't personally subscribe to any religious or spiritual ideas
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: derelict]
#459473 - 08/13/10 04:49 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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derelict said:
http://www.archive.org/details/NaturenurtureAppetites
http://www.archive.org/details/GenerationAfterGenerationtopologyVersion
How do these songs make you feel ?
Truthfully, not much of an emotional response at all. But I just find it really hard to care about the subject, in general; being that I'm an atheist and tend to be libertarian in my social views.
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Re: How do you feel about religion?? [Re: niteowl]
#459504 - 08/13/10 05:52 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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It's like a conspiracy, brah:
Liberal Christianity, broadly speaking, is a method of biblical hermeneutics, an undogmatic method of understanding God through the use of scripture by applying the same modern hermeneutics used to understand any ancient writings. Liberal Christianity does not claim to be a belief structure, and as such is not dependent upon any Church dogma or creedal statements. Unlike conservative varieties of Christianity, it has no unified set of propositional beliefs. The word liberal in liberal Christianity denotes a characteristic willingness to interpret scripture without any preconceived notion of inerrancy of scripture or the correctness of Church dogma.[2] A liberal Christian, however, may hold certain beliefs in common with traditional, orthodox, or even conservative Christianity.
In the 19th century, self-identified liberal Christians sought to elevate Jesus' humane teachings as a standard for a world civilization freed from cultic traditions and traces of "pagan" belief in the supernatural.[3] As a result, liberal Christians placed less emphasis on miraculous events associated with the life of Jesus than on his teachings. The effort to remove "superstitious" elements from Christian faith dates to intellectual reformist Christians such as Erasmus and the Deists in the 15th–17th centuries.[4] The debate over whether a belief in miracles was mere superstition or essential to accepting the divinity of Christ constituted a crisis within the 19th-century church, for which theological compromises were sought.[5]
Attempts to account for miracles through scientific or rational explanation were mocked even at the turn of the 19th–20th century.[6] A belief in the authenticity of miracles was one of five tests established in 1910 by the Presbyterian Church to distinguish true believers from false professors of faith such as "educated, 'liberal' Christians."[7]
Contemporary liberal Christians may prefer to read Jesus' miracles as metaphorical narratives for understanding the power of God.[8] Not all theologians with liberal inclinations reject the possibility of miracles, but may reject the polemicism that denial or affirmation entails.[9]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_Christianity
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I generally think that anyone who is serious about a religion is at least partially crazy. You'd have to be, right?
many of the more liberal sects of Christianity look at the bible as nothing more than a man produced document that presents an enlightened metaphor on how to live a moral existence
Although this kind of christian may in fact exist...... I have never seen one
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