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 Crusty Ass Bastard
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 Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power!  [Re: Magash]
#436924 - 06/24/10 01:00 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was correcting misinformation where I saw it.
You seem to have taken it personally, or as some kind of broad attack against HIDs, which it clearly was not.
A single 600w LED fixture can already provide a single patient with more medicine than they can smoke, year round. You're speaking against LEDs as a large scale cropper, which 99% of people on this forum and elsewhere are not. To assume everyone is in this to grow more weed than they need is a mistake in this medical age.
Edited by Crusty Ass Bastard (06/24/10 01:09 PM)
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 Magash
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Ahhh....man there was some good info being traded here. I hope this didn't come off as personal just two guys on opposite sides of the debate team is the way I was looking at it.
You seem like a pretty cool guy to me crusty I hope people didn't think we were taking personal chops at each other. 
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Crusty Ass Bastard
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Magash]
#437906 - 06/25/10 11:29 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah like I said in PM I don't know how that spiraled out of control so fast. No harm no foul though. If this conversation was in person its two guys shooting the breeze maybe busting eachother's chops a little but on the internet everything is taken so literally its blown out of proportion.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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can we continue the debate though, because I think it is an extremely relevant topic for this forum (and thread).
Here's another thought (particularly for you Magash) -- Do you think that the decrease in yield from LEDs might be offset by the amount of money you'd save on electricity (both from lights, and not needing as much AC etc.)? You might yield less, but if you're only spending 50% as much on electricity I feel like it might even out slightly. That said, I've never used LED's at all so I have no idea how much they would really save vs. yield but I think it's a point to consider
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Ben18
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#438544 - 06/27/10 04:14 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Harry_Ba11sach said:
can we continue the debate though, because I think it is an extremely relevant topic for this forum (and thread).
wonderful debate
because the LED lighting industry is growing fast
and like most know so is technology
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lostinbq
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Ben18]
#438549 - 06/27/10 04:25 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Ben18 said:
wonderful debate
because the LED lighting industry is growing fast
and like most know so is technology
screw technology!!1 wtf ever happened to the game pong???????
i miss that game..
yea but for real now i see it as what happened to the 8track and the cassette tapes.. soon hid will be a thing of the past... or at least made a lot cheaper when led's get better!!
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Magash]
#438684 - 06/27/10 10:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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ok
Edited by fungi (07/09/10 03:23 AM)
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yellownotepad
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: fungi]
#441832 - 07/04/10 02:43 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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my buddy did a test in his little mini cab - put an LED panel on one side, and a 70w hps on the other side - i forget the wattage comparison but i think the LED was 15w? whatever it was, the LED far outpaced the HPS with drastically less wattage.
not science, just an anecdote. take it for what its worth
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: yellownotepad]
#448333 - 07/19/10 11:26 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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It'd be cool if they developed a strain that could suffice off ambient light. That's my dream.
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Hanky]
#571964 - 07/13/11 09:50 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hanky said:
I'm constantly seeing posts where people are scared to get or run a HID light because they think it'll use massive amounts of power.
Compare a 400w or 600w light to the following items in your home.
Clothes dryer or electric oven... 5000w
Medium sized window mounted AC unit... 900w
Full ducted AC... 3500w
Electric water heater... 3800w
Toaster or microwave oven... 1500w
Coffee maker... 900w
PC with 17inch CRT monitor... 240w
xbox 360... 165w
That's all well and good, but I'm running two 17W fluoros and 1 120mm case fan. (My grow room is 1.5' x 2.5' x 4')
I don't know what the fan uses, but I'm pretty sure I still come in under the 165 of the Xbox.
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: 484]
#580628 - 08/24/11 10:06 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
484 said:
Quote:
Hanky said:
I'm constantly seeing posts where people are scared to get or run a HID light because they think it'll use massive amounts of power.
Compare a 400w or 600w light to the following items in your home.
Clothes dryer or electric oven... 5000w
Medium sized window mounted AC unit... 900w
Full ducted AC... 3500w
Electric water heater... 3800w
Toaster or microwave oven... 1500w
Coffee maker... 900w
PC with 17inch CRT monitor... 240w
xbox 360... 165w
That's all well and good, but I'm running two 17W fluoros and 1 120mm case fan. (My grow room is 1.5' x 2.5' x 4')
I don't know what the fan uses, but I'm pretty sure I still come in under the 165 of the Xbox.
How much does it cfost you to run those fluoro's?? I am thinking bout getting a few for a future grow.
DO we have a price comparison of how much each light costs somewhere on the forum?
And idk bout all of you guys but 240w for a computer and monitor is no where near what my computer is using. Maybe back in the 90's but not now days. With my basic comp i have a 500w powersupply and using 90% of the output and a 19inch flatscreen. On my gaming rig i'm pulling nearly 1200w with a 2000w powersupply and 4 22inch LED monitors. I also have 2 imacs that draw nearly 450w. These computers run 24/7 and never shut down. So tacking on an extra 100$ a month is expensive...Even 50$ amonth. Its hard enough paying the bill with the setups i have. thats not including my servers:(
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Dimo114
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: chowdan]
#584076 - 09/06/11 05:34 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow this made me feel soo much safer. I would be shittin my pants if it wasnt for this site....and then I would yield 4g of regs, throw it in the garbage and get arrested >.<
And wait...if I only flower with hps im not getting best quality (as in no mh/blue light)?
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Dimo114]
#584272 - 09/07/11 12:36 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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the spectrum in mh bulbs is more suited for vegetative growth than floral growth.
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Dimo114
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#584302 - 09/07/11 01:51 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks, gotchu:)
I got shook there for a minute. So basically, if I flower under hps only, I can still yield killer buds?
Quick followup question:
Im buying a 4ft 4 lamp t5 fixture for clones and moms only. Should all 4 be blue? Or 1 red in the middle? or 2/2?
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KaptKid
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 Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Dimo114]
#584303 - 09/07/11 01:55 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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For cloning I use all blue to keep them short.
However a little experimenting to see what is best is always fun.
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Dimo114
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: KaptKid]
#584306 - 09/07/11 02:19 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Im trying to get a sog right the first time, so no expiriments for me yet. But im fine with tall plants; I just read some shit about how mj needs at least a little of both spectrums at all stages. But as long as it's not really nesesery, im fine.
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: Dimo114]
#584309 - 09/07/11 02:39 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You will be fine on the clone part.
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: dumbfounded1800]
#710353 - 01/29/14 02:02 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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why has no one stated the obvious, your PC uses at least 400 watts and is running constantly
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: HID lights DON'T use a lot of power! [Re: gman7104] 1
#710367 - 01/29/14 08:11 AM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well you did see that the very first post in this thread mentioned that, right?
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phychotron
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Re: HID lights use a lot of power! [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#710970 - 02/01/14 08:39 PM (10 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm not going to read all the posts, but since were resurrecting old threads, did anyone mention about how HID lights draw about 10% more than they are rated, and the ballast also takes power?
Theres an illusion that the actual power required to light a grow bulb is what is written on the bulbs package, some take over two times the bulb wattage to run. If you want to see how much your lamp actually uses to run you need to use a meter. Any 1000w running 12 hours a day is going to use more than 1.2kw-h's of electricity.
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