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 Harry_Ba11sach
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 What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? 
#379856 - 03/08/10 08:02 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've got 5 plants that are VERY ready for bigger pots, and 5 plants that are IN bigger pots and VERY ready to flower. 
I sort of have a veg space, but it's only suitable for keeping small moms and whatnot, I can't actually veg in there, I don't know if I could even fit a single 5 gallon bucket in there.
So should I transplant the 5 that need it into 5 gallon buckets and only give them like a week or so to grow their roots out? or should I consider transplanting them into something like 3 gallon buckets so they have a better chance of filling the bucket with roots first. I guess I just can't decide if it's a waste of my perlite and nutrients to be flowering a plant that hasn't really had a chance to fill the medium yet... I know the roots stop growing about 2 weeks after the lighting flip so I can't decide if going for the full size bucket is my best bet or if I should put them in something a little smaller.....
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#379873 - 03/08/10 08:57 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd go with the three gallon if you plan on flowering soon. Having a bucket full of roots is more efficient than having too much root space in your container. That's my take on it anyway.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: DrGreenThumb]
#379877 - 03/08/10 09:06 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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DrGreenThumb said:
I'd go with the three gallon if you plan on flowering soon. Having a bucket full of roots is more efficient than having too much root space in your container. That's my take on it anyway.
i'd say this
and flower those ladies.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Ben18]
#379881 - 03/08/10 09:17 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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well I can always keep trimming them back so they stay a reasonable size. It's not like I'm just going to let them overgrow my entire room or something.
I guess the only real reason I'm asking is because 2 of the untransplanted clones in question come from magash, and I promised him I'd do my best to grow them out FAT. I don't want to seem like I'm cheating him out of a strain review by having his in 3 gallon buckets while all the others are in 5-gallon buckets.
But I think you fella's are probably right anyway....
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Ben18]
#379891 - 03/08/10 10:14 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ben18 said:
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DrGreenThumb said:
I'd go with the three gallon if you plan on flowering soon. Having a bucket full of roots is more efficient than having too much root space in your container. That's my take on it anyway.
i'd say this
and flower those ladies.
sounds right to me.
I don't do hempys, but i would think you would see more of the plants full potential when flowering with a well established root system to feed the monster nugz we all know you're gonna produce... 
Like you said...the roots stop growing 2 weeks into flower so if you induce'em without a good settah roots they may not show their true capabilities.
Just speculating though. I could be way off.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Farmer Joe]
#379943 - 03/08/10 11:19 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm always for experimenting. My suggestion would be to put one in a 3 gal. and one in a 5 gal. and see which one does better. I'm assuming they're about the same size. It would be interesting to see the results.
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Crusty Ass Bastard
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Farmer Joe]
#379946 - 03/08/10 11:21 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been in this situation a few times (in soil) and began 12/12 immediately after transplanting from 1/2 gallon -> 2 gallon pots. Come harvest time the roots had filled out the 2 gal pot. I didn't transplant other clones into bigger pots so I couldn't tell you how much the yield was impacted though.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
#380059 - 03/08/10 01:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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The root system stops growing after 2 weeks into flower? Since when???
Oh and Harry, buy the 3 gallon square containers and plug the holes for hempy use, you'll get ~27% more rootspace from containers that take up the same footprint... Just my opinion.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Inverted]
#380061 - 03/08/10 01:50 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've heard a bunch of places around the net (other forums though, so take it with a grain of salt) that after about 2-4 weeks of flowering the plant doesn't feel a need to continue root growth and instead focuses ALL of it's energy on flower production. In fact, my bottle of Roots Excelurator even says to stop using the product in week 3 of flowering because there's no need for it anymore 
And Inverted, I'm just gonna keep doing buckets. I could fit 16 plants in my space with 5-gallon buckets but I only have 9 plants, so I don't really have a need for saving space quite that efficiently. I'm gonna go with ease of use for now, but in the future when I experiment with smaller plant size and really packing them in there I'm definitely gonna go with that
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#380083 - 03/08/10 02:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Word yeah I was just throwing it out there. My last 2 grows were transplanted, 1- 7 days into flower, and 2- was a couple days before the switch and the only thing I have yet to notice as a negative impact is that they sense the transplant and focus on root expansion, thus slowing down the transition to really packing on the calyxs. If you are in need of doing it, by all means DO IT! You probably won't even notice a yield decrease, and if ANYTHING, your flower time might be extended 5-7 days, so in other words, it can be done if need be, but if you have the option and planning, then I would transplant at least 5-7 days BEFORE flipping the lights.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Inverted]
#380137 - 03/08/10 03:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Word... I think I'm just going to throw them all into 5 gallon buckets and see what happens
can't really hurt them that much
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#380171 - 03/08/10 04:00 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, what's there to lose?
I just think most people give their roots more space than they really need, especially with the size of the plants they grow.
The only time I have ever used a 5 gallon bucket was in a swamp grow back in the day, and the plants were 5 feet tall and bushy. I would only use buckets of that size if my plants were that big or larger, otherwise 3 gallons work for almost all of the same applications indoors, unless you are growing 4-5 foot tall monsters, which isn't such a practical indoor method because the plants take up so much more space, but the return isn't much greater than if you were to fill the space with twice as many plants but keep the size smaller. Anyways I'm getting off topic now so /rant
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Inverted]
#380181 - 03/08/10 04:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just like the bigger buckets because it gives me more lapse time if I forget to water. I can forget them for 3 days in the 5 gals and be fine, but the same size plant in 3gal needs feedings every day.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#380185 - 03/08/10 04:21 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I guess I can understand that. Hempy is weird...
If I ever ditch soil I'm probably going to DIY-DWC route or even an Ebb n' Flow system. I could probably make a mini table now even, but I just can't afford any pumps at this point. Maybe I can sell a couple sacks out of this harvest and build a custom DWC system for my flower cab...
I need Hydro, I'm starting to get jealous reading everyone's GL of hydro runs and they just seem to grow FASTER is the main thing. I notice much larger buds at 5 weeks flower in hydro systems than ANY soil grows I have seen at the same stage in the cycle. It's just too obvious to overlook any longer, I MUST make the switch soon. The thing is, I'm very proficient when it comes to soil growing, I almost feel like I should stick to what I have mastered.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Inverted]
#380267 - 03/08/10 05:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I almost feel like I should stick to what I have mastered.
Sure, you could take this route. But then you would be cheating yourself out of other opportunities. While soil may be a comfort zone for you, you should try and break out of that and try new things. Grow 3 soil plants and one hempy, do a soil and a bunch of DWC's, whatever your choice I feel like you shouldn't be hesitant to try new things because you're more comfortable with something else. If you've mastered soil, move on to some new ground and master that!
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Inverted]
#380288 - 03/08/10 05:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree with coda. I would bet money that if you grow 3 soil plants and a hempy side by side you'll never do soil again though 
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#380339 - 03/08/10 07:16 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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+1
Coming from an ex soil grower I can tell you I'll never touch the stuff again unless for some odd reason I want to keep a mom in it (although I'm liking hempy more now for moms then soil).
I dunno, I once swore I'd never touch hydro but now I'm swearing I'll never touch soil again. I like the control over your plants that hydro offers, plus the quick recovery time from mistakes is a huuuuge bonus. Every style has it's pros and cons, but for me I look for the following in a grow: Cost effectiveness, relative simplicity, ease of use/application.
Anyways, expand your horizons my man. You can get a hempy bucket started for 10 bucks. 10 bucks isn't much to dip your toes into something new, so if it doesn't work out for you, you're only out the cost of a movie ticket and some time. While it wasn't my best grow ever, my first hempy experiment turned out really well having no prior hydro experience. So I'm sure someone who has a bunch of grows under their belts like you can also easily adapt to a new method. If you're like me you may find the experience of trying something new to be more satisfying then the end results from the grow.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: coda]
#380364 - 03/08/10 07:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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coda said:
+1
Coming from an ex soil grower I can tell you I'll never touch the stuff again unless for some odd reason I want to keep a mom in it (although I'm liking hempy more now for moms then soil).
I dunno, I once swore I'd never touch hydro but now I'm swearing I'll never touch soil again. I like the control over your plants that hydro offers, plus the quick recovery time from mistakes is a huuuuge bonus. Every style has it's pros and cons, but for me I look for the following in a grow: Cost effectiveness, relative simplicity, ease of use/application.
Felt like I was reading my own words...
I don't think you would look back either dude.
Edited by Crusty Ass Bastard (03/08/10 07:31 PM)
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Ben18
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: coda]
#380397 - 03/08/10 07:51 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
coda said:
+1
Coming from an ex soil grower I can tell you I'll never touch the stuff again unless for some odd reason I want to keep a mom in it (although I'm liking hempy more now for moms then soil).
I dunno, I once swore I'd never touch hydro but now I'm swearing I'll never touch soil again. I like the control over your plants that hydro offers, plus the quick recovery time from mistakes is a huuuuge bonus. Every style has it's pros and cons, but for me I look for the following in a grow: Cost effectiveness, relative simplicity, ease of use/application.
Anyways, expand your horizons my man. You can get a hempy bucket started for 10 bucks. 10 bucks isn't much to dip your toes into something new, so if it doesn't work out for you, you're only out the cost of a movie ticket and some time. While it wasn't my best grow ever, my first hempy experiment turned out really well having no prior hydro experience. So I'm sure someone who has a bunch of grows under their belts like you can also easily adapt to a new method. If you're like me you may find the experience of trying something new to be more satisfying then the end results from the grow.
good post
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Ben18]
#380450 - 03/08/10 08:35 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ben18 said:
Quote:
coda said:
+1
Coming from an ex soil grower I can tell you I'll never touch the stuff again unless for some odd reason I want to keep a mom in it (although I'm liking hempy more now for moms then soil).
I dunno, I once swore I'd never touch hydro but now I'm swearing I'll never touch soil again. I like the control over your plants that hydro offers, plus the quick recovery time from mistakes is a huuuuge bonus. Every style has it's pros and cons, but for me I look for the following in a grow: Cost effectiveness, relative simplicity, ease of use/application.
Anyways, expand your horizons my man. You can get a hempy bucket started for 10 bucks. 10 bucks isn't much to dip your toes into something new, so if it doesn't work out for you, you're only out the cost of a movie ticket and some time. While it wasn't my best grow ever, my first hempy experiment turned out really well having no prior hydro experience. So I'm sure someone who has a bunch of grows under their belts like you can also easily adapt to a new method. If you're like me you may find the experience of trying something new to be more satisfying then the end results from the grow.
good post
No shit! Amazing. Well Maybe I will with 1 or 2 of these seedling I have in little cups for now... 
I may never look back. As long as I can reuse some perlite I'm all for it.
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: Inverted]
#380461 - 03/08/10 08:53 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yah, you can reuse the perlite if you're willing to deal with cleaning it . At 20 bucks for three cubic feet, I just toss it. But then again, I really hate working with perlite so that's why I don't bother washing it.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: What are your thoughts on flowering immediately following transplant? [Re: coda]
#380552 - 03/08/10 10:42 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I get really sick of disposing of it too though. I have 40 gallons of hempy buckets going right now and I'm already not looking forward to harvest just because of that 
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