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 FarBeyondDriven
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 A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! 
#373783 - 02/25/10 10:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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What actually makes bagseed, mids, whatever you wanna call it?
Is it just dank strains being continuously crossed with each other or what?
I mean, if that's the case, it would just be really dank, right?
I guess a good way to word it it would be...What actually makes me sub par to other weed, or "bad?" I know bout hermies and all that, but what actually makes it not as good? Is it that the mothers were pollinated or lack of light, or what?
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Triptonic
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 Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#373825 - 02/25/10 11:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its a combo of things, genetics has a role in some of it. But usually if you grow out a bagseed and put it in proper conditions, then you can usually get some pretty decent results. Also low grade weed is usually in brick form and from mexico lol.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#373827 - 02/25/10 11:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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what most people like are dense colorful nugs, glazed with trichomes. That's one extreme, the other is brick weed loaded with large stems and tons of seeds. mids are exactly that. bagseed is just the seeds that you find in any given bag of weed.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#373833 - 02/25/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I always figured that mids were simply plants that were vegged for a very short period of time and not cured. Basically, the grower had a lax way of growing and produces those mids. Don't know if this is true though?
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FarBeyondDriven
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#373834 - 02/25/10 11:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, I get all that, but how exactly does it get to that extreme???? What causes that? I know you can grow good bud from bagseed (i.e. Stoney), but how does it become that bad???? I know what you can do to make awesome buds, but is it just hermies breeding with hermies and so on and so on, that makes the shit just bad all around?
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#373849 - 02/25/10 11:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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FarBeyondDriven said:
Ok, I get all that, but how exactly does it get to that extreme???? What causes that? I know you can grow good bud from bagseed (i.e. Stoney), but how does it become that bad???? I know what you can do to make awesome buds, but is it just hermies breeding with hermies and so on and so on, that makes the shit just bad all around?
The growers care and the environment provided. Check out this first picture. It was a bud that i got from a bag of brick weed that I paid $60 an oz for. The second picture is a picture of a seed from that weed in flower. Using a hydro system, a 400 watt HPS, GH floranova and a grower who cared and knew what he was doing. The third picture is the final result. Seedless and tasty. Could have been more dense though. but i had to cut the flowering process short. 
 
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#373850 - 02/25/10 11:45 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOL, its from not taking great care of your plants. And it being compressed into bricks.
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FarBeyondDriven
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#373860 - 02/25/10 11:56 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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It all makes sense now 
That doesn't even look like the same herb. Yours looks dank as fuck.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#373870 - 02/26/10 12:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm gonna chalk this question up as +1 for me in the noob test.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: Triptonic] 1
#373938 - 02/26/10 02:25 AM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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My thoughts on it are that low grade bud has been subjected to at least one of the following:
1. been grown outdoors and without much attention and care. This could result in pests, heat damage, damage from too much rainwater, uncorrected pH problems, all this would lead to a plethora of issues.
2. was not flushed and/or over-fertilized or fertilized 'til harvest. This would result in poor taste. Any residual pesticide or fertilizer would end up in the end product.
3. was dried in the heat/sun. Large outdoor harvests are so much that it is most practical for the grower to allow it to dry in the sun. Light is bad for potency. That is why we dry and cure in dark closets. The sun is the worst thing for harvested buds.
Most of the low grade bud that I have seen I think suffered from most of these.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: dutc2006]
#374054 - 02/26/10 12:23 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Triptonic said:
And it being compressed into bricks.
I don't see how pressing degrades anything, being I press hash and all.
Take note of the next quoted post, he hit the nail on the head.
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dutc2006 said:
My thoughts on it are that low grade bud has been subjected to at least one of the following:
1. been grown outdoors and without much attention and care. This could result in pests, heat damage, damage from too much rainwater, uncorrected pH problems, all this would lead to a plethora of issues.
2. was not flushed and/or over-fertilized or fertilized 'til harvest. This would result in poor taste. Any residual pesticide or fertilizer would end up in the end product.
3. was dried in the heat/sun. Large outdoor harvests are so much that it is most practical for the grower to allow it to dry in the sun. Light is bad for potency. That is why we dry and cure in dark closets. The sun is the worst thing for harvested buds.
Most of the low grade bud that I have seen I think suffered from most of these.
Very well put!
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FarBeyondDriven
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: Triptonic]
#374065 - 02/26/10 12:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Triptonic said:
I'm gonna chalk this question up as +1 for me in the noob test.
How's that?????
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FarBeyondDriven
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: Triptonic]
#374066 - 02/26/10 12:47 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Triptonic said:
I'm gonna chalk this question up as +1 for me in the noob test.
How's that?????
I was on the right track in my thinking.
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Harry_Ba11sach
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
#374074 - 02/26/10 01:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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FarBeyondDriven said:
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Triptonic said:
I'm gonna chalk this question up as +1 for me in the noob test.
How's that?????
yeah, only stuff from within that thread counts for the test IMO, other wise I can spend 15 minutes with the search function and bring you both down to -25
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: Stoneth]
#374092 - 02/26/10 01:30 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
stoney.69 said:
Quote:
Triptonic said:
And it being compressed into bricks.
I don't see how pressing degrades anything, being I press hash and all.
Take note of the next quoted post, he hit the nail on the head.
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dutc2006 said:
My thoughts on it are that low grade bud has been subjected to at least one of the following:
1. been grown outdoors and without much attention and care. This could result in pests, heat damage, damage from too much rainwater, uncorrected pH problems, all this would lead to a plethora of issues.
2. was not flushed and/or over-fertilized or fertilized 'til harvest. This would result in poor taste. Any residual pesticide or fertilizer would end up in the end product.
3. was dried in the heat/sun. Large outdoor harvests are so much that it is most practical for the grower to allow it to dry in the sun. Light is bad for potency. That is why we dry and cure in dark closets. The sun is the worst thing for harvested buds.
Most of the low grade bud that I have seen I think suffered from most of these.
Very well put!
I would disagree with number 2. I've never had a grow where I did a proper flush before harvest and both specimen tasted fucking fantastic. That doesn't contribute to low grade bud. I can't comment about the last part of number two either, i dont know the details of the biophysiology.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#374095 - 02/26/10 01:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Opps yea number 2 would be more along the lines of taste, in my experience.
I have tried not flushing and flushing I will always flush because I preper the cleaner taste, but I do see where it wouldn't make the buzz better or worst.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: Stoneth]
#374170 - 02/26/10 04:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I'm actually understanding the question correctly ("What makes bad weed bad, compared to the fact that you can grow their bagseed out into good bud?"), I think the major factor has yet to be mentioned: pollination.
When a cannabis flower is pollinated, fertilization happens, at which point the flower says "fuck yes, my purpose can now be fulfilled!" and puts as much energy as possible into producing seed. I believe some trichomes will still be produced, but for the most part, energy that would have gone to THC development instead goes to seed production. Shitty weed has been pollinated by all the males and hermis the grower was too lazy to cull.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: God]
#374221 - 02/26/10 06:04 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I got thousands of seeds from my last grow. The weed get's me just as high as any other weed i've had. I also mentioned seeded bud above. that would obviously imply pollination had taken place.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#374263 - 02/26/10 06:46 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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I guess I just didn't think that the pollination factor was getting enough attention, when it seems like that and the fact that mexibrick is often dried in piles in the sun are the two major factors working against potency of low-quality weed. I look at all the threads in the cultivation forum as where the newcomers will look first, and figure they should all be as complete as possible.
That's interesting that your seeded bud was as potent as unseeded. Have you grown that strain without it getting pollinated?
I think another possible factor affecting potency is just handling. The more hands it passes through, the more times it's pulled out of its bag, broken down into smaller increments, put into another bag, etc., the more trichomes get knocked off and left behind. I find if my supply gets really dry, it'll leave behind a lot more trichomes in the jar than if it were properly moistened.
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Re: A question just popped into my freaking head man!!!!!! [Re: God]
#374265 - 02/26/10 06:52 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are 100% correct there. the threads should be as thorough as possible. No, i've never grown out that strain other than the one time. And I wont. Had hermies on it. I'll make the seeds into something but they wont be planted. They need to be taken out of the cannabis gene pool.
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