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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Gina and Snowcap [Re: coda]
    #362023 - 02/10/10 10:09 PM (15 years, 12 days ago)

ya im interested to see those flo grow...  dj short one of the only good canadian breeders.that i know of at least love to have all his gear dam....

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Gina and Snowcap [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #362211 - 02/11/10 10:30 AM (15 years, 11 days ago)

spray with colloidal silver!! quick!! hook up the femmies!! haha cant wait for the results.

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Gina and Snowcap [Re: TomCollins]
    #362970 - 02/12/10 02:09 AM (15 years, 10 days ago)

sorry you misinterpreted me. i meant spray colloidal get some femenized pollen to make pure femmenized Flo and hook it up :wink:

peace

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439773 - 06/30/10 02:30 AM (14 years, 7 months ago)

sooooo you didnt do a flo snowcap cross or what?? jeez asked so nicely

nicely done dude! like how djs stuff tends to be what you see in his pics/stats aswell. suppose you got a clone though, but still.

also your magash, but you dont have formal write up and he prob got a cut directly from you so course be the same!

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #439955 - 06/30/10 01:30 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

silica blast??  sounds like they figure micronized silica will get sucked into plants adding weight. they use that stuff to kill arthropods (bugs).

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #439963 - 06/30/10 02:11 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

meh its all BS. perlite is pretty much all silica!! all soil has plenty of it. most plants barely use any silica if any, there are specific ones that do have decent amounts of silica in them but there specialized  plants. 1 silica is glass and is pretty much impossible for plants to utilize besides for those special plants that due actually use it for defense. think of rope from hemp with bits of glass. if they did have a bit of silica in them deer would steer clear of hemp....  there is no wear near enough silica in tissues to ward off anything in hemp. think of recrystalizing opal in your skin, does that sound like something that may rip stuff up as its harder then surrounding orgainic compounds.

Anyway in either case its a rip! perlite=glass= Si  use your minds!!!!

abundance in crust or not does not mean anything!!! if its abundant there is already lots in soil. some of the rarer elements are 100% needed for metabolism!!!

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
    #440004 - 06/30/10 03:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

anyway, according you you soil is mostly organic material ie plants and dead plants! and plants according to you have "lots" of silica so soil should have plenty! the form it takes in plants is of amorphous glass AKA opal.

and yes it does play a role in some plants like a said numerous tims in my statement!! so what abotu rice!! yea mostly plants with high silica are water lovers like horse tail!! weed however not so much. it could however make stems and stuff more hardy by ripping tissues up and then creating scar type tissue just how wind strengthens stems... i dunno man not trying to be argumentative just seems like BS.

also you have saying that think abotu pure mag in your reservoir, when did i say anything about elemental Si. Glass is not elemental Si.

also once again there is more then enough silica in your soil. the studies you gave dont mean nothin. ok ya silica does dissolve in ver very small quantities in water. but think abotu how well your glasses hold up. and sure it will turn up in sap big woop. rice is not weed barley is not weed or related ya know??

man like these studies dont really say anything at all. so beans may have a higher concentration then outside solutions. what does that say?? well it accumulates in sap, so, im sure that happens with alot of things not needed.

some plants do use it! but there special!!!

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440010 - 06/30/10 04:03 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Silicon (Si) is the second most abundant element in the earth’s crust and is also abundant in most soils (Marschner, 1995; Epstein, 1994; Datnoff et al., 1997).  It is readily taken up by plants and is often present in relatively high concentrations in plant tissues (Epstein, 1994).  Silicon concentrations in plant tissues sometimes even exceed the concentrations of Nitrogen and Potassium (Epstein, 1994).  Therefore, Si is often a major constituent of plant tissue, although it is not considered to be an essential nutrient for terrestrial plants in general (Epstein, 1994).  No other presumably non-essential element is present in such consistently high amounts in terrestrial plants (Epstein, 199


tadaaaa!!!!

im edumacated yo!! Maybe in the future we will see Si based life!

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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440013 - 06/30/10 04:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

also harry! in teh studies they are talking ionic silica so just dissolved silica which in small amount comes from quartz or glass or whatever you want to call it. Si dioxide is silica. so dont give me all this bs of elemental stuff and unsuable Si. silica blast is glass period.



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Offlinethe man

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #440053 - 06/30/10 05:26 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

interesting but it doesnt mean anything. basically no one knows any reason for it in most plants. but as heavy metals and pestacides can bio accumulate so does Si. should read the next sentence. rice and horse tail use it...

anyway, you can pay for it all you want. i dont know who told you the BS about needed for cell wall hydrophobic shit.

There may however be something else in silica blast thats not silica!! or some unnatural compound that does do something which is possible.

i love learning and i have tried to prove myself wrong as well. I have not read any evidence that is convincing.

Cheers man you know i got your back on climate shit!! hzaha

peace

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440084 - 06/30/10 06:25 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

after reading what is in silica blast. it is not silica, but other silicates. from their description it sounds like they think the plants get the refractory properties of the compounds!

also says    hahaha
Also contains non-plant food ingredients:
2% Silicon (Si)

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #440102 - 06/30/10 06:43 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

you said it was in the phospholipid biayer which its not and its also hydrophobic and hydrophilic. sorry, was just in my brain what it does.

can you agree now its not 100% used by plants like you said. come on admit you were wwrong. haha :wink:

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440192 - 06/30/10 09:56 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

maryanne3087 said:

I'd still like you to comment on your theory of silica (yes the dioxide form of silicon) ripped through plant tissues causing scar tissue thus making the stems stronger.




that was just a theory how it could make stems and stuff stiffer. dude i study plants and geology so i do know a thing or 2 about what goes on.

also maryjane you have no idea what your talkng about what silica does and have no substantiation. at least harry tried to give articles, but those are for special case plants.

one reason i know about silica in plants is because of its use as a proxy for climate. i have researched it extensively but there is alot of problems with using "opal" as it tends to exchange O with environment. so anyone who does isotope work with silaceous diatoms and stuff be very wary of them or what they say!! so please please dont say anything if you really have no idea. im not a dick really but i just hate misinfo.

this reminds me of how companies put "no sugar added" ingredients: sugar cane juice. well fuck me running 70% of sugar comes from cane sugar. very misleading, people train for years to do it....


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440200 - 06/30/10 10:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ok for all you guys i have an experiment for you to do at home.

take a plant such as a tomato. place in HF acid or other, centerfuge, then collect all your Silica. seriously you guys!!! minds!!!

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440203 - 06/30/10 10:15 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

k maryjane last comment to you. yes they are all glass there is many dif glasses and is a blanket term, elemental Si is not glass!! look up what perlite is made of  probably 60% plus of silica, thats why you dont breath it in cause it can fuck with yoru lungs.  if soil has ANY sand or perlite in it it has alot of silica period dont be dumb. I can imagine many soils with no silica as it can be blown in washed down from rivers ect or from glaciers.

ok so last time, just really stop

and the product uses silicates that are nutritive and not silica. chemistry is tuff but very useful. even says teh silica in it is no used!!! so argument is done i win on some facts but i should have read about the specific product and not assume it was just silica!! my bad on that but no one argued that :smile: hehe

what i study specifically right now abotu plants is how they facilitate teh precipitation of calcium carbonate or marl. then use stable isotopes to find water temp from 1000s o years ago.

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440214 - 06/30/10 10:33 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

ya i talked about diatoms just like your cell wall in wiki does sooo??? whats it say about "normal" actual plant cells oh nothing about silica really??  did you read the article did you understand what it says?? did i say there are special cases of plants using it such as the case in Sorghum bicolor!! good efforts!  k no more baiting me haha :smile:

harry sorry for derailing thread!!! your grows kick butt, i watch them religiously and have respect. truly truly

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440216 - 06/30/10 10:40 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

k dude really silica is silica is silica if its in perlite or sand its silica. look it k! like i said very good try man.  imagine having sand built in your normally flexable cell walls. some use it as i said liek horse tail to stop animals from eating it. anyway none starter as silica is not how the product works! peace

no there is no evidense all plants carry up 10%. some sure, most however no and if you understood what it was talking about we could talk. again none starter.

ok another thought experiement, paper, solvent acid > paper no huge amount of 10% silica in it. sure some shit in bark and what not but you would see pulp mills with huge pills of silica powder!!

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
    #440227 - 06/30/10 10:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

yup so does 0% dude to use silica it needs to be silica using a silicate does not mean silica. like saying a diamond is like morphine


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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
    #440233 - 06/30/10 11:00 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

cytoliths are not made up of silica like the ones in pears ok??

k all the shit you guys have sent me is about silica period not anythign else. its silica glass it can dissolve but very very little does. doesnt matter if its in chunks fine powder nothing. what form of silica(there is no other) are you refering too. you guys please i actually knwo whats going on here.

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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
    #440239 - 06/30/10 11:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago)

i know what happens as silica dissolves and enters plants and i am very aware you guys dont think i think that. but shit dissolves like potassium and enters plant same ass way. IT IS NOT USED IN CELL WALLS OF CANNABIS NOT EVEN THE FUCKEN PRODUCT THINKS IT IS IT USES COMPOUNDS WITH Si IN IT BUT THAT IS NO WAY SILICA OK?? SOME SILICA DOES DISSOLVES AND MAY ENTER PLANT BUT IT IS NOT USED BY MOST PLANTS THERE ARE HOWEVER SPECIAL CASES IN SOME PLANTS THAT DO PRECIPATATE AMORPOUS SILICA OR OPAL ???  TAKE WOOD DISSOLVE IN ACID SEE IF YOU FIND ANY SILICA OK YOU GUYS ARE DENSE AND DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT SILICA IS IF IT DOES NOT REPRECIPATATE IN THE PLANT AS A COMPOUND OR BACK AS SILICA IT IS NOT USED k?  really now

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