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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#438685 - 06/27/10 10:55 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice looking plants.
I saw your thread "battle of the nutrients" and saw that you ended up buying the one part bloom recipe. Is that what you're using to feed these?
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#438814 - 06/28/10 09:17 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You use 8 different products along with a single part nutrient?
Sounds overly complicated.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#439215 - 06/29/10 10:26 AM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm skeptical about all additives especially the expensive ones. I've heard good things about Bloombastic by Atami many of my friends use it and swear by it. The dosage is 1-2ml a gal but it costs 100$ for 325ml. My friend has the big 5.5L bottles so I think I'm going to try to get a cup off of him or something.
I've heard really good things about Bud Candy not from any of my friends as they steer clear of Advanced Nutrients but the guy at the growshop highly recommended it and gave me a free bottle. I did a search on Bud Candy and saw looks of good reviews.
I'm going to be trying out KoolBlooms, Bloombastic, and Shooting Powder once I get everything sorted to see what's good on cost the KoolBlooms are really cheap especially the powders. The Shooting Powder is fucking expensive $80 for 5 satchels of 65gr each however the dosage is 65gr/25gal metric gals or .65 a litre, this is the old dosage too I think it's now been lowered. $80 for 125gals for just the bloom booster KoolBloom powder would work out to 5grams a gal and costs 18 bucks for 2.2lbs this works out to 200gals treated which is 1/6 of the price.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Magash]
#439936 - 06/30/10 01:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which have you found don't work?
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#439984 - 06/30/10 03:06 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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the man said: meh its all BS. perlite is pretty much all silica!! all soil has plenty of it. most plants barely use any silica if any, there are specific ones that do have decent amounts of silica in them but there specialized plants. 1 silica is glass and is pretty much impossible for plants to utilize besides for those special plants that due actually use it for defense. think of rope from hemp with bits of glass. if they did have a bit of silica in them deer would steer clear of hemp.... there is no wear near enough silica in tissues to ward off anything in hemp. think of recrystalizing opal in your skin, does that sound like something that may rip stuff up as its harder then surrounding orgainic compounds.
Anyway in either case its a rip! perlite=glass= Si use your minds!!!!
peaches and olives have a gritty texture especially in their skin specifically the epidermis this is because of stone cells which are primarily made of silica.
abundance in crust or not does not mean anything!!! if its abundant there is already lots in soil. some of the rarer elements are 100% needed for metabolism!!!
Silica is most definitely a top 10 element for plants.
Although heavy metals can be uptaken by the plant including uranium and mercury would you say this leaves a solid bar of uranium or mercury in the plant?
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: Crusty Ass Bastard]
#439995 - 06/30/10 03:42 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crusty,
What strain(s) is that to the far left and far right of your signature?
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440007 - 06/30/10 03:57 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silica is immobile so it parks it's sharp ass somewhere in your plant without ripping it to shreds and doesn't move until your plant has died and decomposed. Silica therefore has to be supplied to your plant continuously for your plant to further benefit. Eventually you get your harder stems because of the silica making your stems more rigid because it's found throughout your plant tissue. Not because it's caused massive scarring which inadvertently would cause rot/infection if that was the case.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440085 - 06/30/10 06:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Silica is the dioxide form of Silicon.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440124 - 06/30/10 07:10 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have caught onto your strategy for debate. You google a bunch of stuff read bogus articles and webpages. Make nonfactual statements and question a bunch of stuff until someone doesn't provide you with a answer to your satisfaction.
I'd still like you to comment on your theory of silica (yes the dioxide form of silicon) ripped through plant tissues causing scar tissue thus making the stems stronger.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440155 - 06/30/10 08:36 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You wanted a sufficient explanation for other claims of Silica effecting plants?
For drought/heat resistance the silicon/silica deposits in the cell walls of the xylem vessels strengthening them/making them more rigid this makes them not compress when there's lack of water/high heat from excessive transpiration.
For insect resistance, the epidermis gets hardened from Silica/Silicon and makes the epidermal level harder to penetrate.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440198 - 06/30/10 10:04 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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You study what about plants?
Obviously if you had studied plants you would know a thing or two about Silica?
If you studied Geology I'd assume you would know that soil and the earth's crust don't necessarily mean the same thing. You would probably also realize there's structural and chemical differences between Perlite and Silica. Unless of course you did your studying in India or Africa.
From your earlier post it seemed you were not aware of the difference in Silica and Silicon and Perlite you simply said they're all glass (Si).
Btw, I'm quoting you from the time I posted. Quote:
that was just a theory how it could make stems and stuff stiffer. dude i study plants and geology so i do know a thing or 2 about what goes on.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440208 - 06/30/10 10:23 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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the man said: also maryjane you have no idea what your talkng about what silica does and have no substantiation. at least harry tried to give articles, but those are for special case plants.
You think only specialized(or special case) plants benefit from silica placement in their xylem and epidermal cell walls?
Let's see what google finds.
1. Silica can exceed many macronutrients in the plants final dry weight with concentrations of as much as 10% 2. Plants deprived of silica are often weaker and have growth abnormalities. 3. Only nutrient not detrimental when collected in excess. 4.Alleviates biotic and a-biotic stress.
Also mentions cell wall accumulation and forms of silica found in soil which are accessible by plants..
http://aob.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/mcm247v1
Another source mentions Diatoms (algae) synthsizing their cellwalls from silicic acid. Actually this wiki page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_wall
This journal mentions strengthening root cellwalls with silica deposition. http://pcp.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/44/7/743
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440210 - 06/30/10 10:28 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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the man said: k maryjane last comment to you. yes they are all glass there is many dif glasses and is a blanket term, elemental Si is not glass!! look up what perlite is made of probably 60% plus of silica, thats why you dont breath it in cause it can fuck with yoru lungs. if soil has ANY sand or perlite in it it has alot of silica period dont be dumb. I can imagine many soils with no silica as it can be blown in washed down from rivers ect or from glaciers.
There's a difference from perlite and plant accessible silica.
ok so last time, just really stop
and the product uses silicates that are nutritive and not silica. chemistry is tuff but very useful. even says teh silica in it is no used!!! so argument is done i win on some facts but i should have read about the specific product and not assume it was just silica!! my bad on that but no one argued that hehe
The product said non plant nutrient, as silica is immobile and sent to around the plant to strengthen cellwalls of the epidermis (root, leaf, stem) and xylem, and etc it is not directly used by the metabolism as it just accumalates and provides rigidity it is not a plant nutrient.
what i study specifically right now abotu plants is how they facilitate teh precipitation of calcium carbonate or marl. then use stable isotopes to find water temp from 1000s o years ago.
weak.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440215 - 06/30/10 10:39 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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There's plenty about ALL plants accumulating huge amounts of Silica (10% dry weight), specifying that they benefit from rigidity and that Silica doesn't become toxic when collected in excess. Rigidity is the culprit of the drought/heat tolerance as the xylem vessels don't suffer from excess transpiration.
You're a goon. The wiki page is simply a reference to cellwalls being greatly and in some cases entirely composed of silica. Ie. Diatom skeletons/casings.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440221 - 06/30/10 10:47 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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Any plant that has silica in it's cellwalls are going to be harder for insects to eat. BTW Pears and Olives have already been used in examples with further explanation in this thread.
Since Silica is Silica and Perlite or Sand is silica should we all just be dumping perlite and sand into our hydroponic reservoirs? Plants need Potassium also, should that go into our reservoirs in it's raw state too? Maybe there's a bit more to this than you think.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440225 - 06/30/10 10:50 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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the man said: no there is no evidense all plants carry up 10%
You do realize that up to 10% also means less than 10%? Nothing fits into the category of up to 10%.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: maryanne3087]
#440230 - 06/30/10 10:58 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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the man said: no there is no evidense all plants carry up 10%
You do realize that up to 10% also means less than 10%? Nothing fits into the category of up to 10%.
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the man said: yup so does 0%
My GOD did you seriously say that??
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440236 - 06/30/10 11:02 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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The link I specified listed different forms of silica found in soils which are plant accessible.
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440241 - 06/30/10 11:08 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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What do you think happens to silica when it enters a plant then?
Are you going to tell us one of these brilliant theories of yours such as the one where the sharp shards of silica rip apart the plant and the plant heals with scar tissue?
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Re: Harry's 2010 Grow Log, 1200W, Flo, Sweet Tooth, Maneater and Snowcap (moved) [Re: the man]
#440245 - 06/30/10 11:12 PM (14 years, 7 months ago) |
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the man said: and mary that article cites teh same guy that said silica is NOT used in plants that i posted ok?? so really use your head. excuse me most terrestrial plants..
Silicon (Si) is the second most abundant element in the earth’s crust and is also abundant in most soils (Marschner, 1995; Epstein, 1994; Datnoff et al., 1997). It is readily taken up by plants and is often present in relatively high concentrations in plant tissues (Epstein, 1994). Silicon concentrations in plant tissues sometimes even exceed the concentrations of Nitrogen and Potassium (Epstein, 1994). Therefore, Si is often a major constituent of plant tissue, although it is not considered to be an essential nutrient for terrestrial plants in general (Epstein, 1994). No other presumably non-essential element is present in such consistently high amounts in terrestrial plants (Epstein, 199
No other presumably non-essential element- Non essential element means it's not directly utilized by the plants metabolism. As fucking stated 50 million times in this thread we all for the most part (with the exception of you) agree that silicon is non mobile and accumulates in the plant tissues.
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