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flushing after watering and other newb questions
    #341888 - 01/06/10 08:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hey! I just wanted to ask what happens if your plant has a problem but you're not sure if it's overwatering or over feeding? it may actually be a bit of both...but even if it's only over feeding, wouldn't flushing cause over watering/root rot or something? what if the plant is already boderline humid and hasn't enough time to dry out fast enough?

what is the best time to start feeding plants with fertilizer? (when they have how many leaves not counting cotyledons)I've been misting the plant with half the minimum amount recommended by the manufacturer but may have over fed/watered them yesterday because I poured (instead of misting) that fert/water mix........any fertilizing advice you could give me would be really appreciated :smile: I'm using a 20-20-20 by the way

The plant sprouted (first sing of cotyledongs,  first green thing I saw) december the 14th....that means it's been 23 or 24 days....almost 4 weeks....it has like 6 leaves (4 of those leaves have 3 tips) and a little thing growing in the middle, they're small...i thought I had counted 7 leaves though....but let's just say it has six not counting cotyledons......is it growing fast? slow? too slow? or average? this is important for me.

edit: (I counted them again....6 leaves)

Is it normal that the two first leaves (not counting cotyledons) are of a lighter green than the rest? or does it mean something bad is happening ? Are those two leaves supposed to die too?


When is the best moment to put seedling under 250 watt metal halide lamp (how many leaves should it have). At what distance and how often (and by how many inches) should you get the light closer to the plant?
I put the plant under lights when they had 4 very small leaves and was fine until now...the lights were at around 3 or 4 foot from the plant......when the plant had like 6/7 leaves the light was put closer (as close as I could get it)

I forgot my other questions....but thanks in advance for answering :smile:

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: Triptonic]
    #342483 - 01/07/10 05:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you guys so much for your answers and for welcoming me to the site! I've been in the shroomery for a couple of years but had never grown weed.

Actually my first set of true leaves didn't die, the tip of one of them did, but the rest is fine...they do look "lighter-colored" in comparison to the others though and that has been worrying me. I stoped fertilizing yesterday :smile:

I germinated under unknown-wattage fluorescent light until the plant had 4 true leaves then put them under 250 watt MH (a bit far from the light since I was afraid to burn them or something), then got them closer, I don't know how close but that's as far as my set up allows for now. Then my MH starting failling or something (looked a lot less bright) so I changed it for a HPS 250 watt I was saving for flowering until I can buy another MH.

My grow medium is soil + perlite at around 50-50 but this was not precisely measured and my guess is there's a little bit more perlite than soil.
The soil bag says "Phillips Chevron advanced formula for life" if that means something to you. I couldn't find any peat moss in my country (DR) and didn't want to put vermiculite in there because the stuff is humid enough already. I germinated in a little cup and then transplanted to a 3-4 gallon container just before putting under the MH lights (a couple of minutes before).

I'm using a 20-20-20 not organic (chemical then I guess) fertilizer, powdered and water diluted....I used half the minimum amount recommended....1ml/mg per liter of water
it has trace elements too. I don't really know what else to say about the nutes.

The strain is Arjan's strawberry haze feminized from greenhouse co. It's mainly a sativa

I have no idea of the temperature or humidity of the room since I don't have "meters" for that yet...I saw a couple online but figured I really wouldn't know how to use them or "plug" them in accordance with my set up.  It is humid I guess since the soil always seems moist....and it feels kind of hot in there.
I have two fans one "in" fan on the floor and one "out" fan near the ceilling (i'm growing in a homebox) they're small, I don't know what air volume they extract/blow though.

The soil drys fast on top...but if you dig a bit it seems to always be humid, even for a few days....I keep watering anyway (only misting) because I'm afraid the plant may get too dry....My guess is if I didn't it would still stay moist for a week or even more.

About drainage, my container has lots of drainage holes and draing pretty well, but maybe the grow medium characteristics don't allow a very good drainage. Maybe it's not hot enough in there too, since I only have 250 watt lamps which is all I can afford on my electricity bill for now.

I haven't measured Ph, since I just bought a Ph meter and have to go get it at the post office (it just arrived :laugh:).

I've tried to take picture but apparently there's something wrong with my camera since I can't see anything on those pictures, it's a bad quality camera anyway so I don't think it's worth it....I have been writing a grow log, but never posted it since the grow log itself sounds a bit stupid :$ and I'm kind of a newb.

My idea would be to use a stick to measure the soil humidity? Until I can by a meter or something... but my fear is that some parts of the soil are too dry while others are too moist so part of the roots are underwatered and others overwatered which would be way too complicated to deal with.

By the way I flushed the plant today....I was scared it would die and couldn't wait until coming here...poured around 10 gallons of water in there, maybe less, it drained pretty well but the soil is a bit soaked. The plant immediately, while beggining the flush got all droopy. I have questions about that :

Is flushing  stress for the plant?
Can you kill your plant by flushing?
Should you only flush when there are signs of overfeeding? because I was thinking about flushing every two weeks to avoid that, when the plant got bigger but now that I saw the plant's reaction i'm having second thoughts.
Does flushing during flowering affect bud flavor/resin production?
Any advice on flushing?

I'm having trouble with overwatering and overfeeding....I mean sometimes I think like ok let's wait until it's really really dry in there, then flush and then a week later feed with a medium amount of fertilizer (like 3g/L) and wait until it's really dry again. BUT when I'm doing that, I get all scared thinking maybe i'm hindering the poor kid's potencial not giving it enough nutes/water and causing it all kinds of stress....I don't do it only for the smoke, but I would love to have a big, healthy plant with  as high quality bud as I can (I think that's what we all want right?)...that's why I'm groing only a couple of plants at a time anyway (because I don't have much wattage in there)...i'm only growing 1 right now though because I killed my other two seedlings before they even sprouted (root rot, overwatered).

Thanks A LOT for everything, if you need any other information about my set up let me know :smile:

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: shakalaka]
    #342882 - 01/07/10 11:29 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

WOW thanks a lot guys!

Triptonic: I KNOOOOW loool i write waaay too much xD it's one of those crazy obsessive defects I get sometimes :P

Shakalaka:

Thanks for all the great advise, I love it! I have a question though....Is it ok to use hydro ferts on soil?
How will I know the plant got used to the lights? after how many days should I bring the lights closer? (the question actually is when should I start getting the light closer)


SmOakland: First of all...thanks a lot!

I was using MH for veggin but the bulb went a bit nutz so the HPS is all I have for now. I'm glad to know she'll be ok with it! :smile:

I had no idea different strains may need different fert regimen, that may complicate things a bit since I would have to figure that out for each strain. I have lot's of different strains (had 10 to start with) because I bought them by mix packs which have 5 seeds each of a different strain. I was going to grow 2 mainly indicas and one sativa, just to see how that went (because I  know sativas can be a bit of a hassle to grow), but as I said, killed the two indicas lol (they were Cheese and Church strain from the same company :frown: ).

If you or anybody else could find out about strawberry haze needs that would be awesome :laugh:


When I said some parts seem dry and others don't, I meant I think that could be happening and was worried about it. Because the top soil dries fast but I always kind of dig a bit in there and the soil right at the bottom is moist, so going from there I guess that if I dug even deeper then it would be even moister? I don't know it's more like a question/worry. My pots are around 3 or 4 gallons big, I don't remember exactly I think they're 4 gallons though, but I bought them some time ago so I'm not sure. I will fallow your advise on watering :smile:

About the size of the plant, my plan was to do a short veg so it didn't get too big...I like them a bit big though :P as long as yeild is just as big :wink: So would I still need training techs/SOG ? I have around 4 (maybe more) foot of vertical space, but of course that's not counting the vertical space occupied by the pot (it's a bit tall, maybe a quarter of a foot or a half?) and the space occupied by the lamp (bulb + reflective hood)...they're not too big either though...I would say I have 3, maybe 3 and a half foot of vertical space (not sure i'm really bad measuring things like that)...well just so you get an Idea it's a homebox S...the dimensions are *looking online*...*done*
31.5" wide x 31.5" deep x 63" tall (or at least that says the first result on google)....that's 5,25 foot so I should have at least a good 4 foot to grow! :laugh: (at least now that I have only one plant).

Now I assume with a big plant you would have trouble getting light to the lower buds...can I fix that putting  a couple of fluorescent lamps looking from down, up? (don't really know if I can/should put more HID's in there).

I will do my best to get the camara working, it's a bit of a shitty camera though lol...I did take some pictures with my webcam but nothing interesting on them just the little cups I used to germinate under the fluo light and two pictures of germinated seed (you can't eve see it's a seed) and a pic of one of the rotten roots of the plants that died (really bad quality as well).

LOOOOL about you writing it all in the ratings xD

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: shakalaka]
    #343249 - 01/08/10 01:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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shakalaka said:...............see it as a defect of others for not being able to read much :wink:




I will :wink: :P



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shakalaka said:............yes its fine in most cases. what kind of soil did u end up buying...




I bought some "normal" nursery soil, the one you can find everywhere, the bag says: Phillips chevron advanced formula for life...that's pretty much all I know about the soil!

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shakalaka said:was there any fertilizer added?




Nop

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shakalaka said:organics would be good but slow release chem fertz might pose a problem in some cases.




I haven't used organic ferts precisely because of that, I'm not ready to deal with slow release etc yet.

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shakalaka said:what size pots are they in now? maybe u can repot them into coco +perlite or organic potting mix + perlite.




The pots are 3-4 gallons big...I think more like 4 gallons, it would be hard for me to transplant since I don't know how far the roots have already spread on that pot.

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shakalaka said:How will I know the plant got used to the lights?

.............well if the plant looks healthy and green and not stressed or curled...lower the lights slowly to acclimatize it.


...............in my experience...once the plant has 1 or 2 sets of true leaves....start lowering from 2 feet down to 6 inches.




Thanks! that's kind of what I did!


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shakalaka said:...............dont worry about that shit now bra....just keep er simple. Diff strains have diff needs...if u wanna tweak shit till ur gettin potent ass shit at 2 pounds or more per light....thats when ur worried about that. For now...just keep to the basic requirements and u'll be more than fine.




I'll keep it simple, would love to know about those special needs though since "potent ass shit at 2 pounds or more per light" sounds very attractive! :wink: I know i'm not ready for that yet but wouldn't mind knowing in the future :smile: but yeah I have to learn how to keep a plant healthy and alive until harvest first loool


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shakalaka said:..........it happens...how did it kill them? GET SOME BLOODY PICS MAN....AND I WILL WALK U THROUGH THIS WEEKLY...I PROMISE. So will others.




I overwatered before they even had leaves xD and the little roots got rotten but I think I learned the lesson :smile: I will do my best to get pictures at least weekly, they will be bad quality pics though until I'm able to get a decent camera, I will start taking pictures tomorrow probably! THANKS! for the help, I would love that!





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shakalaka said:....................dont be diggin around in ur pot. It disturbs the roots and stresses them out unnecessarily. What most ppl do is pick up the pot when its well watered....and then pick up a dry pot to mentally gauge the difference. Its pretty easy and it works. Pick up the pot to judge watering needs. With hydro ferts and potting mix/perlite at 50-50...u should be fine watering everyday...no over watering issues if the drainage is good. In fact its beneficial to water more often.




So it's ok to water even if it's not completely dry ? I'm just a bit paranoid about watering since well, I drown my other two plants xD Is there some kind of soil humidity measuring meter you can use to know exactly when to water?


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shakalaka said:..........checkout my grow log to see how long sativa's stretch...its ridiculous sometimes. U need to prune them as well to keep them short...cuz ur using bigger pots...it will promote lots of growth during 12/12. how big are ur plants now? could u transplant to smaller pots?




I will go and check you grow log right now! My plant is small, has like 3 sets of true leaves...I could transplant to a smaller pot but would be hard to know how far the root system has spread through the pot/soil so I could really hurt the plant doing so...I don't know though



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shakalaka said:.............its not really the space u have that im worried about...its the 250watter...which doesnt throw the effective light very far. So u will get spindly buds at the bottoms of the plants.
I suggest googling SCROG (screen of green)...and learning how to do that...it will work well with few plants and smaller bulbs.
how many plants do u have? do u wanna keep mothers at all?




Right now I have only one plant growing....in the future I'm planting on growing 3 plants at a time, maximum 5 but that will happen in the future, right now, only one (since the 2 others died lol)...I've been reading about SCROG sounds very interesting, will try to learn as much about it as I can. I'm not planning on keeping mothers yet or cloning...I have to learn a little bit about growing from seed first...

Well, thank you soooo much for your answers! you guys are great :laugh:

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: EM455]
    #343361 - 01/08/10 04:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I couldn't find your grow log :frown:  where are those anyway? xD

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: SmOakland]
    #343396 - 01/08/10 05:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Great! see you there then!

I will look that up...have already been reading about SCROG :smile:

If you guys find anything about strain specific nutrional needs, I would like that even if I don't use the info on this specific grow, it will be useful for my next one

The strains I got left (all from greenhouse co):

mostly sativas: Hawaiian snow, Neville's haze, arjan's haze # 1, supersilver haze

mostly indicas: Train wreck, Lemon skunk, and El niño

Thanks for everything!

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: EM455]
    #343426 - 01/08/10 05:40 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

So these are the only pics I could get from my crappy camera...anytime I try to get the cam closer, it looks blurry so most pictures are from further away :frown:  you decide if it's worth posting on a grow log...I'll try to get a better camera for my next grow...I'm broke right now though, bought way too much shit for christmas xD

Actually I just uploaded the pics but have no idea how to put them in the post so you guys can see them xD sorry

Edit: you can see them on the "pictures" part of my profile in a folder called ok (here at the shroomery)

Edit2: Forget all I said, just figured out how to post the pics ! :P


this is my set up :



My out fan:



This is why I can't get my lights as "down" as I would like:



What I did about was putting my container on top of another container for now lol

these are the two plants that died during germination:



The plant I have now when she was younger:



the following pics are of the plant as it is now (just took them):




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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: Triptonic]
    #343443 - 01/08/10 05:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

loool so sorry, I'll see how I can erase them

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: Triptonic]
    #343447 - 01/08/10 05:58 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

loool it is funny indeed xD My pc bugs like that sometimes xD I guess loool

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Re: flushing after watering and other newb questions [Re: EM455]
    #347175 - 01/13/10 06:51 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Hey, I hope you guys saw the pics and other stuff/answers I posted in this thread....I will be away for  a while, lots of problems going on around my country plus my pc is kinda broken, but will be back soon

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