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Inverted said:
So how far into flowering are you?

How much more can you raise your lights?  Those plants are going to double in height still if you just began flowering... Be careful dude, those plants are going to be too large for that grow space if you don't do some SERIOUS training to them.  Not criticizing but I noticed it's your first grow and you may not understand how much they stretch and bush out after you switch the lights for the first 4-5 weeks.

Nice grow so far though!  Just make sure you have room and switch the damn lights already before those plants are 6' tall and you are much too overcrowded!

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206 said:
What Inverted said, you need to flip those to 12/12 ASAP. The longer you wait the more likely you are to seriously regret it. If you start flowering today and supercrop during the stretch you might be ok, but that is not much more room to work with.

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206 said:They don't appear to be topped either, you should do that now since they are still in veg. That will stunt vertical growth near the top for a while and allow the plant to bush out and bulk up.

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Triptonic said:
Dont worry about it man, it wont do any damage to have them veg for a little longer. But I would tie them down.

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Triptonic said:
My point is, is that it wont hurt to veg. like that one dude was saying. Yea his plants are going to get big. But if he can't get his lights setup like he said than there really is'nt anything he can do about it, now is there?

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Uhhh yeah there is plenty he can do about it.

He can tie the shit out of them and pray that they aren't a stretchy phenotype...  He also needs to flower ASAP.

I know what i'm talking about. 

This is before flowering...

     
It's the bigger one of the last pic...

A couple weeks into 12/12...

     

Getting too large for growbox...



This is after...

 

You get the point yet...

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Azyle00 said:
Spency's grow is like a good drama show really though.  This week's episode is called: "Honey, I shrunk the closet!"

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Spency said:
I disagree. In fact, I think this is the worst advice you could give someone this far into vegetation. This is a great method very early into vegetation, and I'm very excited to do this in my next grow; however, the stress could fuck the plants up at this point. Not only that, but your telling me to top them and then switch to 12/12. Sorry, that sounds like a bad idea to me

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These plants were topped 35 days ago, the same day they entered 12/12. See how the lower branches are thick and strong and almost reached the canopy? Stress is not a word these plants are familiar with. This is just a real example, not hypothesis, mind you.

I'm not advocating that everyone top their plants, just to be clear. I'm suggesting that those who overveg, as you have done, have no reason not to. You can only tie down so much, but do what you will and learn as you go. Feel like I have to be a dick just to hammer home good advice, but yeah.

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Spency said:
Dude, that cool tube thing looks awesome! Oh man, I wish I could go buy it tommorrow... as soon as my new vent system is built, that is the first thing I'm buying.

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206 said:
You seem to be taking good advice (atleast by Inverted and I) as some kind of slight against your techniques. I'm just an experienced grower offering advice on how to best salvage a harvest.

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206 said:
These plants were topped 35 days ago, the same day they entered 12/12. See how the lower branches are thick and strong and almost reached the canopy? Stress is not a word these plants are familiar with. This is just a real example, not hypothesis, mind you.

I'm not advocating that everyone top their plants, just to be clear. I'm suggesting that those who overveg, as you have done, have no reason not to. You can only tie down so much, but do what you will and learn as you go. Feel like I have to be a dick just to hammer home good advice, but yeah.

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Like I said, I just need to prepare my closet. Thank you for your advice, and I'm very impressed with that plant! I thought you were full of crap, but now I stand corrected sir.

However, several different methods as to how to solve my problem have been given to me. I think I'm going to implement a scrog. I still feel topping is a bit risky, only because some of the plants haven't even shown their sex yet and the grow is only 26 days old. Everything I've read says even pruning might be too stressful this far into growth. I want to do everything right, but I feel topping is something my inexperienced hands are just not prepared to do at this point.

Like I said, I can't wait to do it in my next grow. I think this scrog thing will be a good solution to the problem though. I suppose we'll only know when I install it. I just need a few more days until I get paid, that's all.

Also, like I said: One of the plants was actually topped a few weeks ago. I'm only having issues with two of my plants in height. I think I can manage tying down for the time being.

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Spency said:
Dude, that cool tube thing looks awesome! Oh man, I wish I could go buy it tommorrow... as soon as my new vent system is built, that is the first thing I'm buying.

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That's quoted from a different thread, but I didn't want to muddy up someone else's grow journal commenting about yours. Just keep in mind when you're doing your current ventilation system that the cooltube will need its own fan as well as its own intake and exhaust. You could consider an all in one ventilation system where air from the growspace is pulled through the cooltube and exhausted outside the grow area. That isn't necessarily the ideal configuration, but it could be effective with a large enough fan.

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The cool tube is actually very far down the road now... as now I want to install a scrog on a chain and pulley system, then my closet ventilation, some more PH stuff and of course I need to eat too.

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Inverted said:
Well raising and lowering the scrog screen is defeating the point of the scrog...

You want that stationary so that the plants are forced to branch beneath, with only the tops sticking through so that everything is at one level.  This can also be achieved with careful and skilled tying down techniques.  As 206 said, you can get the hormones to transfer to the lower branches, thus stopping vertical growth and allowing the lower branches to become rather large and match the main top in height and cola size.  Yields will be higher when done properly as well.

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Congrats on a good end to your first grow!   It only gets easier from here my man

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I think this is due to a lack of CO2 in the grow closet. I don't have proper ventilation in and out of the grow room, so to compensate I think I may try the seltzer tek on my one remaining plant which still has 6 weeks to go.

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coda said:
Congrats on a good end to your first grow!   It only gets easier from here my man

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I think this is due to a lack of CO2 in the grow closet. I don't have proper ventilation in and out of the grow room, so to compensate I think I may try the seltzer tek on my one remaining plant which still has 6 weeks to go.

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Eh, I would look to other means besides C02 to fix your yield problems.  CO2 is most beneficial in a closed system on a regulated tank.  Even then you're almost always better off figuring out how to keep temps down rather then supplement with C02.

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TheShroomJew23 said:
Dude I think the biggest lesson I learned from your grow is use all cones in this type of system so they all harvest at the same time and grow to the same height. I also was reminded why roots are so dam important. Great log, this is why we have them. For people who just don't know what we already do.

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Spency said:
Whatever dude. It's my first grow and I made a pile of mistakes that isn't even funny to look at. I'm just happy right now that emerging from the horrific neglect and stupidity that these plants endured for the first few weeks of their lives, I have two awesome female plants.

Next grow, I won't make as many mistakes.

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Azyle00 said:
Don't kid yourself.  Spider mites are serious stuff and washing them over and over is a bad idea in flowering as well as applying anything toxic or that might ruin the taste and development.

Predator Spider Mites.

They are most likely given the grow you have to be the cure.  I would recommend mantis babies, but you wont likely be able to buy them this time of year.  That really sucks about mites.  I had them on strawberry plants and they multiply fast and are impossible to get rid of I found.  Neem oil, washing them etc, never kept them gone.

Which is why I am so happy that my grow room is very isolated.  Also it is winter.  Not sure if it matters, but I feel you are less likely to contaminate your crop during winter from outdoor to indoor transfer.

Your dog may be the transfer agent however.  Pets are a huge problem when it comes to that.

Sucks man, I hope you get some biological available and can erradicate them all and save your buds.

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