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oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither!
    #296631 - 10/13/09 05:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Any other lucid dreamers out there?

lets talk dreaming.

For those of you out of the know, lucid dreaming is the conscious awareness of the fact that you are indeed dreaming, whereupon you obtain the power to fulfill any desire or wish, do anything you can think of.  You can have sex with that girl you've been thinking of, fly to the moon superman style, see what it's like to overdose on droogs, whateva, all the while fully aware you are carrying out these acts in a reality that seems in fact real.


I've been training in lucidity for a few years now.  I've got a few books filled up with nightly dream journals.


Here's a snippet from my very first lucid dream that I can recall...
"...It felt just like normal everyday reality except for the fact that I woke up from a long slumber and realized that I had traveled back in time to my high school days.  I roamed the school halls searching for answers as to why this is happening.  Frustrated with the situation I went outside to get some air.  I climbed up a brick wall like a spider, effortlessly.  I sat on the edge of the roof, feet and legs dangling.  The frustration became a distant memory as daylight instantly turned to darkness.  I watched as the moon made it's grand entrance into the night sky, putting on a psychedelic light show that only I was able to perceive.  The moon was glowing and changing hues, pulsating with the subtle rhythm of the earth's heartbeat.  With each pulse the moon would become brighter, more vivid, and then BAM! A beautiful explosion of colors I have never seen and can't put into words, lighting-like fractals piercing the sky and waves of color rippled overhead... the most beautiful moonrise I've ever seen, then BAM!!! ouch.. another color explosion.  BAM!! another.. ouch! and another! BAM!! this one knocked me over.  I sat up holding my face as it was pounding with pain, BAM BAM!! what the hell!?  I look down. BAM! smack in the face!  I see an old teacher of mine hurling boulders into my face!  I start dodging them like I'm Neo on the matrix.  I took cover and looked at the sky and the light show had disappeared.  I looked back down only to realized a scene change.  I'm now in the bathroom standing in front of a guy.  Then it hits me!  I say aloud, "this must be a dream!"  The guy and three girls didn't respond to this, but only gazed into my eyes and smirked, I then knew I was dreaming.  I closed my eyes and started spinning my body, reveling in an energetic tornado of success.  I opened my eyes, with a smile on my face, and watched as the dream broke down into smaller and smaller pixels, fading into the dark void until I decided to wake up, fully conscious of the fact that I was dreaming..."


So, anyone else have any stories?

Or questions about lucid dreaming?  I'll be glad to answer anything.

If you are interested in lucid dreaming I suggest you go out right now and buy the book "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" by Stephen LaBerge


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296638 - 10/13/09 05:25 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard the phrase many times, but I really don't know anything about lucid dreaming other than what you just described.
It sounds incredible; how long does it take to develop as a skill?


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296639 - 10/13/09 05:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I feel like I've had lucid dreams before. Dreams that I knew were dreams.


But I've never 'controlled' such dreams, per se, although I was conscious during the dream.

I might have to pick up that book for more research, but the phenomenon sounds oddly similar to dreams I have recently been having.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: 81renaissance]
    #296665 - 10/13/09 06:33 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

It's hard to say..

some people have been doing it naturally since they were kids and all they need is a little kick start to be able to do it nightly, whereas it took me probably a good six months to have my first.  But you're good to think of it as a skill, the more you practice and the more attention you give the skill, the better you'll become at doing it.

You can even take it to a spiritual level.  Once you have honed your skills, you can meet your higher self, or have intimate conversations with spirits or 'others'.

I've heard of a few experienced lucid dreamers coming up with a certain "dream word" or "phrase" where everyone meets in the dream world.  Say you and I were doing it.  I would come up with the phrase "burnt popcorn", but won't tell you the phrase.  We would go to bed, induce ludicity, and I would find you in the dream realm and tell your dream body the phrase.  Upon awakening, if successful, you would be able to recite the phrase back to me.  kid you not, it's happened!


for some good info and interesting videos, search youtube channel for ReeceJones87.  He's pretty skilled in lucidity and has a way with making you want to do it as well.


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I feel like I've had lucid dreams before. Dreams that I knew were dreams.




there are many levels of lucidity and this is a quality of level 1 lucidity.  You may not be able to control it, or really understand what's happening or why, but you may feel deep down that it might be a dream, or that something just isn't "right".  You can have a full blown lucid dream just by learning to recognize these "feelings that just aren't right".


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296681 - 10/13/09 06:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I've had many lucid dreams over the years but they happen less and less often now.

I find it's easiest to impose a lucid dream when it has a sexual context. Like.. I really want to have sex with this girl in the dream and then I realize that it's only a dream and that there are no consequences to my actions so I go for it.

Other than sex, all of my lucid dreams have had to do with flying. Pretty much just one or the other.

I remember my first lucid dream; I was in the world of a Nintendo 64 game called Quest 64 when I suddenly remembered that I had taken the game back to blockbuster the previous Wednesday and that I must be dreaming. My immediate action was to grab the wings item in the game and proceed to fly all around the world. I love my flying dreams. Even moreso than the sex dreams.

I had a lucid dream just last night infact..


Fox, have you ever smoked DMT? I find that for a period of about two weeks after the experience it really enhances your dreams. Shit is crazier than ever yet has a meaningful context.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: elcharrosays]
    #296699 - 10/13/09 07:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You're so right, using your own desires is a wonderful way to help induce lucid dreams!

I also sometimes find myself choosing flight over sex :crazy2:
It's just a spectacular feeling.  That's pretty nifty that you chose a "tool" to help you achieve flight.  Flying really intrigues me.  I remember when I was learning how to fly, I would always hover a few feet off the ground and then smack down on my face.  Or when you get a running start and can leap great distances but just can't quite get full lift off.

I've actually done some experiments with DMT and dreaming.  I also find that for a couple weeks after my dreams are enhanced a hundredfold.  It seems much easier to achieve ludicity.  I believe "DMT dreaming" and "natural dreaming" both take you to the same place, only DMT is like a cheat code that takes you further with little to no work.  I've had some DMT-like dreams while natural dreaming.  DMT, to me, is the tool to unlock life's precious mysteries, same with natural dreaming.  Both experiences just feel so natural and like they are somehow tied into each other.

Buddhist monks would do very hardcore training in dream yoga to achieve the experiences most of us have the first time we use DMT or ayahuasca, and the experiences of these monks and our dmt accounts are strangely similar in many aspects.  I think there's something very big here that needs much more exploration.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296768 - 10/13/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have been very interested in this subjest for awhile now, i actually went out and bought Intro to Lucid Dreaming book. I find it fascinating at how similiar lucod dreaming, Meditation, and psychedelics have in common. i defiantly agree more research is owed to these subjects.

I unfortunately have terrible dream recall, and have never had a lucid dream. Im working on being more consistent writing in my dream journal to help with my dream recall(first baby steps to lucidity) ... I also am taking a yoga/meditation class and love it. DMT is defiantly an expirerence to have! Just not the easiest stuff to get a hold of regularly.

FOX, have you ever been in an isolation tank? i havent yet, but im going to jump at it the first chance i get.

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: jrjr54321]
    #296827 - 10/13/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not familiar with that book, but I highly suggest you add LaBerge's Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming to your collection.  He's THE leading scientist in lucidity and wrote the book based on his own scientific research as to what works best and how you can pick and choose out of many different techniques to help you find what's best for you personally.

Fortunately, dream recall can be improved with a lot of work. Persistence is key.  You should be highly motivated to do this.  Remember all this lucidity training is based around training your subconscious to recognize small defects in the dream world.  Higher motivation and persistence, and the will to succeed, will ingrain the notion in your subconscious that this is what you want to do and you will do it.

Some tips that helped me... Before going to bed at night, this is what I'll write in my dream journal:

13/14 October 2009
(11:15pm - ((record time when awakening)))

_______(title of dream goes here, fill out after recording dream)_______

setting: (record at awakening the setting of dream)
characters:  (record at awakening any dream characters)
dream signs:  (record at awakening any dream signs or strange occurrences)

goal:  (write down a personal goal... for you it could be to remember the setting of your dream, or to remember to record your dream, or to be able to remember to record at least three dreams this week)

-then record the dream upon awakening.



Write all that down before going to bed, then spend 5 to 10 minutes relaxing and thinking about your goal and what you would like to achieve tonight in your dreams.  While falling asleep you should only be thinking about your goal, nothing else.  Also, keep your dream journal and a pen/pencil within arms length while asleep.  When you wake up, just remain relaxed... if you are awake enough to shut your eyes again, do so, if not do something to stimulate yourself enough to be able to close your eyes and not fall back asleep.  Don't move a muscle, don't think of the days tasks.  Focus on what you just dreamed about.  Remember, you don't have to record a full blown dream.  If you can remember every morning to record SOMETHING from your dream, that is success. 

Another thing... if you're sober, you most likely wake up at least 10 times every night.  You may not remember or realize this, but you do.  That's at least a few chances every night to record a dream.  If you find yourself in the middle of the night waking up, immediately think of your dream journal and start recording.  Try and get in the habit of the first thing you do upon awakening is think "dream journal", then relax and recall the dream, once you have recalled all you can, record.

The yoga/meditation should really help you.  Try meditating right before you go to sleep, it's been shown to help dream recall. 



what's this isolation tank you speak of?  sounds interesting


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296843 - 10/13/09 10:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

oh my bad, exploring is the book i have. i paid full retail for it and still thought it was a steal($7-8).. it is a great book for learning all about lucid dreaming. 

as far as isolation tanks go. its a enclosed tub of water with a high saline content so you float. the water is right at body temp. so you are just floating in this completely dark, completely soundless, enviroment. you start to lose where your skin ends and the water begins. when you dont have any sensory input your brain starts doing funny things, some people report full on trips completely sober with iso tanks. Its almost like in meditation where you dive deep inside yourself and tune out your senses, but its easier because you dont really have anything to "sense"

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: jrjr54321]
    #296851 - 10/13/09 10:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

man I'm gonna look around for one of those :thumbup:
it would be like floating in a black void, incredible.

I bet you could really go somewhere meditating in an isolation tank


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296874 - 10/13/09 11:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

A few weeks ago I dreamed that I was dreaming while dreaming. A true dream within a dream. I've always had a vivid and extensive dream life but that was a new one for me. My dreams have come back strong since I haven't been smoking much lately. Smoking kills dreaming for me. Nodding is a different story though. I think that's what I like the most about opiates. When I do too much and build a tolerance that makes achieving a nod hard, most of the fun is lost too.

I have lucid dreams very often but have very little control of them. I've had quite a few that I knew were dreams and really wanted to wake up from but couldn't and the knowledge that it was just a dream was little comfort. That dream within a dream that I mentioned was like that.

I bet salvia in an iso tank would be interesting to say the least.

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296894 - 10/14/09 12:30 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Ahhh lucid dreaming :bliss: 

Such a fun realm to visit once you get the hang of it, and especially since you can practice every night.

Somehow, mescaline always pops in my head when thinking of the subject.  :smirk:

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #296895 - 10/14/09 12:33 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Sleep paralysis is an even more intriguing phenomena :strokebeard:

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #296906 - 10/14/09 01:06 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

smoking kills my dreaming as well.  vaping on the other hand seems to enhance it :thumbup:


I've had some scary sleep paralysis experiences..
it's not too fun seeing demonic entities a few feet away from you while you know you're awake, but yet can't move a muscle. seems like every time I've experienced sleep paralysis it's had a demonic theme.. which is odd because I rarely have demonic dreams


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #296940 - 10/14/09 02:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Drinking alcohol always decreases my chances of remembering something, and pretty much why i barely recall dreams anymore. I haven't drank in two days but getting better again.

For the longest time as a kid i grew convinced that i was abducted by aliens. Only to find out later on that it was just sleep paralysis :crazy2: It seems that "demonic" theme is shared by lots of other people. 

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EVER DREAM THIS MAN?
every night throughout the world hundreds of people dream about this face


From January 2006 until today, at least 2000 people have claimed they have seen this man in their dreams, in many cities all over the world: Los Angeles, Berlin, Sao Paulo, Tehran, Beijing, Rome, Barcelona, Stockholm, Paris, New Dehli, Moskow etc.

http://thisman.org/






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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #297032 - 10/14/09 10:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

^^^just another reason why I believe there's much more to dreams than what we know about them.

I can't recall ever seeing that face, pretty crazy though!
I might have seen the face, who knows..  I've noticed that I have a hard time remembering unknown faces in my dreams.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #297035 - 10/14/09 11:05 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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all the while fully aware you are carrying out these acts in a reality that seems in fact real.





IME lucid dreaming has never felt "real." It's foggy and, by definition, "dreamlike." Lucid dreaming is more similar to meditative states than reality.

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I've heard of a few experienced lucid dreamers coming up with a certain "dream word" or "phrase" where everyone meets in the dream world.  Say you and I were doing it.  I would come up with the phrase "burnt popcorn", but won't tell you the phrase.  We would go to bed, induce ludicity, and I would find you in the dream realm and tell your dream body the phrase.  Upon awakening, if successful, you would be able to recite the phrase back to me.  kid you not, it's happened!




This is some crazy hippy bullshit. ^

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DMT, to me, is the tool to unlock life's precious mysteries, same with natural dreaming.  Both experiences just feel so natural and like they are somehow tied into each other.




Not true. DMT is just another psychedelic that does nothing more than play tricks on your mind. To say it is anything more than this is foolish. Even Strassman admits he was wrong about DMT's link to dreaming/NDE/psychosis.

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Sleep paralysis is an even more intriguing phenomena :strokebeard:




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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Zippy]
    #297037 - 10/14/09 11:19 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

^^^to each his own...

DMT to me is much more than just another drug and plays a very big role in my dreaming and waking life.  But I'd rather not have a DMT debate in this thread.


Lucidity can indeed seem very foggy and dreamlike, you're totally correct.  But like I said before, there are many levels of lucidity and you will have a very different experience at each level.  I find that lower levels of lucidity have very dreamlike qualities and the overall dream is very hazy. 

However upper level lucid dreams, which are usually more difficult to obtain without training, IME are indeed more real than even waking reality.  Often times when I reach upper level lucidity I find myself falling to a lower level simply because it seems so incredibly real that I convince myself that I can't possibly be dreaming.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297086 - 10/14/09 01:45 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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However upper level lucid dreams, which are usually more difficult to obtain without training, IME are indeed more real than even waking reality.  Often times when I reach upper level lucidity I find myself falling to a lower level simply because it seems so incredibly real that I convince myself that I can't possibly be dreaming.



i know exactly what you mean there. Just last night i thought i woke up, but could have been dreaming all along. Then i woke up this morning kicking my own ass for not trying the lightswitch test. There were some weird visual stuff going on in the dark so who knows if i was up, lol.

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297093 - 10/14/09 02:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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more real than even waking reality.




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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297113 - 10/14/09 02:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ive gotten sleep paralysis thousands and thousands of times.... sometimes i get it multiple times daily, and sometimes ill go months without an episode..... ive also experienced very intense lucid dreams of me realizing i was stuck in my mind dreaming and i couldnt get out.......these things have happened to me since i was very young..........never realized what was happening and what these things were until I read about these phenomenons happening to people @ the shroomery


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #297117 - 10/14/09 02:42 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I made this thread like 6 months ago over there

(OFFICIAL) "Sleep Paralysis" thread

theres some good convo's and experiences about it in this thread

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    #297130 - 10/14/09 02:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Just last night i thought i woke up, but could have been dreaming all along. Then i woke up this morning kicking my own ass for not trying the lightswitch test. There were some weird visual stuff going on in the dark so who knows if i was up, lol.





man I have false awakenings all the time but I very rarely even think to do a reality check.  A lot of times I'll actually wake up in the morning, but close my eyes again and drift off.  However the dream will start at the waking up part I just experienced and I'll go along with my morning routine only to wake up again and realize I had been dreaming and could have easily done a reality check.

I just checked my dream journal and my last successful lucid dream was from a false awakening.  That night I intended to do a WILD (wake-induced lucid dream, where you wake up and do a few exercises then fall back asleep to induce lucidity).  Well I did a successful WILD, but in my dream!  I never actually woke up..  I remember while dreaming, falling asleep and then waking up to perform a WILD, falling back asleep and that's when I achieved lucidity.  I thought it was interesting because I've never heard of anyone doing a WILD in their dreams.  It was very low level lucid dream though.. I was aware that I was dreaming, but at the same time I was still acting out the storyline of the dream, like I had one foot in lucidity and one foot in unconscious dreaming.  I saw a black silhouette dart straight up into the sky and I wanted to do the same.  That's when I gained full lucidity and moved up a level.  I flew straight up into the sky and was going to do a back flip.  As I crested I was just laying horizontal in the sky looking at the stars as the dream started fading.  I remembered that a good way to stabilize the dream when it starts to fade as you're flying is to ground yourself and touch something with texture.  By the time my hand hit the ground I was in the void again and lost lucidity.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #297133 - 10/14/09 02:54 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the link I'll check that out.

That's interesting how many times you've experienced sleep paralysis.  Do most of your experiences have a demonic theme as well?


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297141 - 10/14/09 03:00 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

not really a demonic theme but a very eerie feeling of a "Void" that seems familiar yet different at the same time.... these episode are usually sometimes a follow up from an VERY DETAILED and intense dream of a strange place and situation.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #297354 - 10/14/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah from what I can recall most of my demonic sleep paralysis experiences come right after a very difficult and strange dream.

I usually wake up from the dream in relief, almost always laying on my side, and when I open my eyes a demonic figure is standing beside my bed.  I never can see any detail of these figures, just a black silhouette.  Well, there might be great detail but I never keep my eyes open long enough to observe these figures.  It's not everyday that I wake up, actually wake up into waking life, and see an entity staring me down only a few feet away.  I immediately close my eyes and I'm overwhelmed with a sense of fear, to the point that my body feels euphoric and numb.  I usually drift off to sleep within a minute or two.

I've tried inducing sleep paralysis with great success, with the intention of opening my eyes and observing any entities that may be present.  However I either fall asleep, enter a dream and forget my intention, or come out of paralysis upon opening my eyes.

I find inducing sleep paralysis very interesting.  Some of the things that happen to me when I'm in the "transition stage" of entering paralysis are hearing deafening screams or sounds of a whip cracking, my body shaking violently (not physically), or my body rippling like the waves created when throwing a rock into a pond, floating above my bed or sinking into my mattress, my body ripping apart, full body orgasms and euphoria...


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297365 - 10/14/09 09:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

:bongload:its not something i really look foreward to per say, i find it scary as hell waking up completely paralyzed.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Zippy]
    #297390 - 10/14/09 10:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes!!! Reporting in...

I used to practice Lucid dreams for many years until my addiction got out of control and I lost touch w/ dreaming and all it's wonders.

It's really sad that I lost touch with the art of Lucid dreaming.  It's fucking :awesome: once you get the hang of it.  I didn't read the thread but I hope the OP covered exactly what LD is and how to achieve it.

I've learned to fly, that's my favorite dreaming activity.  I love flying anywhere anytime... OMG it's fucking amusing to fly over your local town seeing everything from a different perspective... It's fucking cool if you ask me.  :crazy2:

That is followed up by choosing to make love to any woman I want, even creating the "perfect" woman to have sex with, naughty or nice... :grin:

Thank you for posting this thread, you may have inspired me to keep a dream-journal to induce LD once again.

IF NONE OF YOU KNOW OF LUCID DREAMING OR JUST WANT TO SEE THE COOLEST/TRIPPIEST MOVIES EVER, WATCH "WAKING LIFE"

The first time I saw this film was on 1 pill of pure MDMA and 2g of mushrooms.  All I can say is every time I see this movie, I end up having near flashbacks of that trip a few years back.  Was one of my best for sure.


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    #297392 - 10/14/09 10:32 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, Waking Life is a good film and a must see for anyone really. :yesnod:

My memories of flying in my dreams are very faint. But when it comes to that kind of action i usually always run or bounce off walls like Nightcrawler on X2. I ride BMX a whoooole lot in my dreams, which is a sign that i need to get on another bike soon! :crankey:

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297393 - 10/14/09 10:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Mainly when I lucid dream it is in dreams of the future which I then manipulate and it affects reality.
This has only occurred about 3-4 times in my life so far.
It has even allowed someone who was color blind to see red and green.

I dont know how to explain it.
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    #297394 - 10/14/09 10:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, Waking Life is a good film and a must see for anyone really. :yesnod:

My memories of flying in my dreams are very faint. But when it comes to that kind of action i usually always run or bounce off walls like Nightcrawler on X2. I ride BMX a whoooole lot in my dreams, which is a sign that i need to get on another bike soon! :crankey:




Oh yeah I almost forgot, I wakeboard and snowboard in Lucid Dreams a LOT, probably ranked 3rd.

I can always fucking land perfect, slow motion, like amazingly stylish 720's and 900's and 1080's like all the time, and I always jib just absolutely perfectly and smooth, I love it more than sex.

It's so fucking sweet because it seems like there is like 80% gravity so I can glide through the air just a little longer and land just a little softer, its a sensation I can only feel and not describe in words.

When I do a snowboard run they seem to last for nearly an hour like the mountain is just fucking HUGE and the jumps are all massive and everything just works out PERFECT for some reason and it nearly makes me cum in my bed...

:yesnod: to dreams...

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    #297499 - 10/15/09 12:59 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yes


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    #297535 - 10/15/09 05:24 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, Waking Life is a good film and a must see for anyone really. :yesnod:

My memories of flying in my dreams are very faint. But when it comes to that kind of action i usually always run or bounce off walls like Nightcrawler on X2. I ride BMX a whoooole lot in my dreams, which is a sign that i need to get on another bike soon! :crankey:




Oh yeah I almost forgot, I wakeboard and snowboard in Lucid Dreams a LOT, probably ranked 3rd.

I can always fucking land perfect, slow motion, like amazingly stylish 720's and 900's and 1080's like all the time, and I always jib just absolutely perfectly and smooth, I love it more than sex.

It's so fucking sweet because it seems like there is like 80% gravity so I can glide through the air just a little longer and land just a little softer, its a sensation I can only feel and not describe in words.

When I do a snowboard run they seem to last for nearly an hour like the mountain is just fucking HUGE and the jumps are all massive and everything just works out PERFECT for some reason and it nearly makes me cum in my bed...

:yesnod: to dreams...

P.S. take some Opiates and tell me how fucking :awesome: your dreams end up!




I've done a lot of that in my dreams. On dirt bikes also and sometimes just my feet too. I always end up suddenly jumping too high and too far. Much more than humanly possible. I'll be scared to death, gone too far but, discover that I can land it OK everytime just to end up going even farther and getting scared again. Always exciting. Some of my fav dreams. :awesome:

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: azshroomer]
    #297609 - 10/15/09 10:18 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Inverted: glad to see you went that far into lucid dreaming :thumbup:
I hope this thread will help get you back on track! read my first post, I wrote out one of my lucid dreams from my dream journal that just might inspire you a bit more.  I know what you mean about flying over something you regularly see and getting a different perspective, it just amazing me how real it all seems.  The feeling of flight is just hands down incredible :bow2:

waking life is a wonderful movie and I also think anyone that has the chance needs to see it.  It's a great work of art and might open up your mind just a bit more.  If anything it's a great inspiration for dreamers :thumbup:  Be sure to watch the movie multiple times to fully understand the script.


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Mainly when I lucid dream it is in dreams of the future which I then manipulate and it affects reality.





I've heard of this happening before.  You can use lucid dreaming to directly affect your reality.  Like if you have a baseball game coming up you could practice in your dream and hone in your skills.  Or the bmx guy up there^^^ you can practice new tricks that you wouldn't dare do in waking life, once you feel confident landing it in your dreams you can gain the confidence to try it out in waking life.  the list goes on and on...

but on the extreme side of that, like making someone who was once colorblind be able to see a couple colors, or someone being healed from a disease, that's some remarkable stuff right there and I've read about it happening.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #297614 - 10/15/09 10:54 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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smoking kills my dreaming as well.  vaping on the other hand seems to enhance it :thumbup:


I've had some scary sleep paralysis experiences..
it's not too fun seeing demonic entities a few feet away from you while you know you're awake, but yet can't move a muscle. seems like every time I've experienced sleep paralysis it's had a demonic theme.. which is odd because I rarely have demonic dreams



happened to me once, but it wasnt demonic entities it was much worse.  A tall mexican guy.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Doitagain]
    #300752 - 10/20/09 01:11 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

haha I could see how that would be frightening as well.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #300775 - 10/20/09 06:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

into lucidity ?[ its called the dream machine, a way to induce alpha wave changes and create the sleep whilst awake sensation as well as vivid " hallucinations" all from a constantly rotating lampshade over a lightbulb. ]  you should REALLY watch this..i wouldn't have gone through the trouble to find it if i didnt think it would benefit the thread. http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/flicker/


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #300959 - 10/20/09 05:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Good to know im not insane.
I pretty much never tell anyone about that happening because I think theyll tell me to see a psychiatrist.

This isn't like practicing or something.
When I was younger I could only see the future in my dreams once in awhile, but could not directly change it, if I did attempt to I only ended up fulfilling the dream as I saw it.

Then in highschool I forced myself to stop dreaming because I was worried I would see something horrible happen and not be able to stop it.

Then in college I started dreaming again and also started toking/experimenting and this is when I started being able to affect reality through those dreams. Instead of watching the dream as it happened and then attempting to change it later, I took hold of my dreams in my subconscious and reality was affected.

Again, its only happened majorly 3-4 times in my life. Smaller stuff a bit more than that. But the girl was 100% red/green colorblind and then she stepped out of the shower and was like why does everything look weird and started pointing at all the green and red things in the room. I was stupefied because the night before I had narrated in my lucid dreaming that she would be able to see red/green.

I know it seems crazy but the major ones happened within 3-4 days before or after of using mushrooms/e/lsd. And Ive never done alot of them either, only 1 normal dose never more than a few times a month in college. Now i hardly do anything other than smoke green and havnt had much of these major dreams. THe last major one was the girl being able to see red/green and that was in Febuary. And yes, she can still see red/green.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: azshroomer]
    #300982 - 10/20/09 07:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

You should see a psychiatrist. ^


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: azshroomer]
    #301020 - 10/20/09 08:19 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I figured as much.
:heresjohnny:

Can she be hot?


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: azshroomer]
    #301078 - 10/20/09 10:06 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Zippy]
    #301227 - 10/21/09 07:50 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Dr. Siekadellyk]
    #301539 - 10/21/09 09:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

my new job is interfering with my dreaming :crying:
I have a much harder time remembering my dreams when I'm awakened by an alarm clock. pfft


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #301597 - 10/21/09 10:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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my new job is interfering with my dreaming :crying:
I have a much harder time remembering my dreams when I'm awakened by an alarm clock. pfft




Ya man I know what you mean. I have the best dream recall when I sleep in, kinda wake up mid morning then fall back asleep. Im almost able to go right back into my dreams.

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: jrjr54321]
    #301611 - 10/21/09 10:52 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah same here.

If I can wake myself up enough to do a few reality checks and then fall back asleep, I can usually just walk myself back into a full blown lucid dream.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #303616 - 10/25/09 03:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

i haven't slept in 24 hours, so i'm gonna go take a nap.  hopefully there's some results afterwards  :adam1975:

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    #303638 - 10/25/09 03:35 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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    #303786 - 10/25/09 08:14 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well... i maintained lucidity for a while. only to forget what all happened upon awakening :lol: 

i need a dream journal

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    #303789 - 10/25/09 08:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I was talking to my boss at work a couple days ago, and she was describing these "nightmares" that she has, and then she said that sometimes she would wake up unable to move, and that she felt "evil forces" in the room.
Thanks to this thread, I got to explain what she was experiencing AND recommend the book on lucid dreaming to try to control her nightmares!
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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #303795 - 10/25/09 08:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

oh bummer
I've been doing the same lately.

I've really been slacking off on my dreaming so I figured this thread should help myself and others get back on track:thumbup:

the hardest thing for me to do when practicing lucidity is staying inspired and committed to dreaming.  It's just so incredibly easy waking up in the middle of the night and morning not even giving a care about dreaming.  Really committing to dreaming is hard work!

I think I'll start my dream journal again tonight.  we'll see how it goes :dancer:


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I was talking to my boss at work a couple days ago, and she was describing these "nightmares" that she has, and then she said that sometimes she would wake up unable to move, and that she felt "evil forces" in the room.
Thanks to this thread, I got to explain what she was experiencing AND recommend the book on lucid dreaming to try to control her nightmares!
GO GROWERY!

I really want to buy that book myself now.




man that's great you could help someone else out because of this thread! 

you should really invest in that book.  you should be able to find it at any big bookstore, or you can get it cheap online from amazon. 

Here's the chapters to kinda give you an idea of the structure and focus of the book...

the world of lucid dreaming
preparation for learning lucid dreaming
waking up in the dream world
falling asleep consciously
the building of dreams
principles and practice of lucid dreaming
adventures and explorations
rehearsal for living
creative problem solving
overcoming nightmares
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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #303860 - 10/25/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I have found that Melatonin + Vitamin B6 + (optional) Valerian Root makes for a great lucid-dream experience.  It is thoroughly documented throughout the internet.:thumbup:

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    #303876 - 10/25/09 11:03 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Melatonin in general just helps you fall asleep.  It's the hormone the brain creates to help us go to sleep every night.  As you get older your brain produces less and less and taking it daily as a supplement is an option to help put you to sleep w/ out drugs.

I struggle sleeping as a result of an opiate addiction and take melatonin to help me sleep.  Thanks for reminding me, i'll take that now.


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    #304063 - 10/26/09 02:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

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Melatonin in general just helps you fall asleep.  It's the hormone the brain creates to help us go to sleep every night.  As you get older your brain produces less and less and taking it daily as a supplement is an option to help put you to sleep w/ out drugs.

I struggle sleeping as a result of an opiate addiction and take melatonin to help me sleep.  Thanks for reminding me, i'll take that now.




You are right to an extent, however there is more.  For the sake of lucid dreaming, you take melatonin to increase your levels to more than they are at, not get them to normal.  High doses of melatonin can create lucid dreams, and also increases REM sleep (which is deep dreaming sleep).  Also drugs like cannabis increase the synthesis of melatonin.  So yes, it helps you get to sleep, but it also effects other aspects of dreams/sleep.

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    #304131 - 10/26/09 05:59 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

From my experience, melatonin has negative side effects in lucid dreaming.  It would make me sleep all the way through the night and messed up my normal REM sleep pattern.  I would wake up not remembering a thing about that nights dreams.


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    #309567 - 11/03/09 11:39 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Just bought two copies of "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" from Amazon.
One for me, and one for the girl I work with who has the nightmare disorder and sleep paralysis.
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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: 81renaissance]
    #309650 - 11/04/09 08:18 AM (15 years, 23 days ago)

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    #309850 - 11/04/09 04:41 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Ahhh that's so cool man!
You're really going to love this book.  Just be sure to devote a lot of time, patience, and practice and you WILL succeed.

Keep me updated, I'd love to hear about your experiences from the book.  I really need to start training again, I've been slacking lately.  Maybe we can practice the same exercises together and compare results :thumbup:


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    #309938 - 11/04/09 08:02 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

Sounds good to me.
I'll also keep track of the girl I work with to see how she's doing.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: 81renaissance]
    #309941 - 11/04/09 08:05 PM (15 years, 23 days ago)

That's pretty cool.

I had a lucid dream 2 nights ago, first time in years!

:thumbup:

And I was tripping on acid and trying to skateboard, it was hilarious.  I don't remember much else though cuz I wasn't too prepared for it.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Inverted]
    #310050 - 11/04/09 10:09 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

You should get the book too Inverted!
If the three of us are doing it together that should give me enough inspiration and will power to keep up with my training.


yeah 81renaissance I'd love to hear what that girl thinks of it!  I hope she gains a lot of insight about her experiences.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #310066 - 11/04/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

I'd LOVE a good read but don't have the cash, wanna loan it to me?  I'll send it back in the same shape I promise!


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Inverted]
    #310074 - 11/04/09 10:48 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

Dude I'll just get you your own copy.  PM me your info and I'll order it tomorrow.
I don't think you'll wanna give it back after you start reading it!  It's a lucid dreaming bible, I'm always referring back to it.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #310086 - 11/04/09 11:15 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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Dude I'll just get you your own copy.  PM me your info and I'll order it tomorrow.
I don't think you'll wanna give it back after you start reading it!  It's a lucid dreaming bible, I'm always referring back to it.




You are so awesome!  I promise someday i'm gonna meet you, trip and FB.  It needs to happen

I'll PM you now.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Inverted]
    #310087 - 11/04/09 11:16 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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You are so awesome!  I promise someday i'm gonna meet you, trip and FB.  It needs to happen
I'll PM you now.



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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #310095 - 11/04/09 11:25 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

Why so, these people all get me, and I love to travel and meet new people.

Don't make assumptions, it makes an ASS outta U and ME

Actually when I get a job it's going to happen, i've been talking about this with these guys for a long time.  Like a planned vacation.  My parents do it with people all the time when they go to Cozumel every couple months.  They don't even pay for anything but the flight, friends take care of us down there.

But yeah I could dream it up.  I'm pretty good at lucid dreams.


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Inverted]
    #310096 - 11/04/09 11:30 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

i had no intention of bashing you.  ...just seemed like something relevant to say in a dreaming thread :lol:
traveling is a part of me life as well, but only in this country.  hell maybe WE'LL run into each other someday.

tis all gravy dude

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #310097 - 11/04/09 11:33 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

we need a VIP growery meet-up someday :thumbup:


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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Fox]
    #310102 - 11/04/09 11:40 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

I wanna come!

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: mel_lonta_tauda]
    #310106 - 11/04/09 11:48 PM (15 years, 22 days ago)

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i had no intention of bashing you.  ...just seemed like something relevant to say in a dreaming thread :lol:
traveling is a part of me life as well, but only in this country.  hell maybe WE'LL run into each other someday.

tis all gravy dude




Sorry Mel!!!

:lol:

I thought you were being super sarcastic.

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Re: oneironauts, lucid dreamers, come hither! [Re: Inverted]
    #417861 - 05/14/10 02:59 PM (14 years, 6 months ago)

:bump:


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