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    #286715 - 09/26/09 12:55 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yes I voted for him so I am slightly bias but I cant see how anyone can argue that this guy isnt trying and that he isnt already doing exponentially better than Bush

Obama became the first American to ever head a UN security council meeting and also got a unanimous vote in confronting nuclear disarmament in Iran and N. Korea 

He isnt perfect and problems wont be solved overnight, but I hes doing a good job so far given the huge number of problems he had to deal with

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Re: Obama [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #286723 - 09/26/09 01:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You agree, disagree, dont give a fuck?

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Re: Obama [Re: Yrat]
    #286727 - 09/26/09 01:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Here's a short list

# Signed executive orders to close the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within a year, ban torture and end the CIA’s secret overseas prisons and define treatment of Detainees.
# Reversed restrictions on stem cell research.
# Signed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Reducing discrimination based on gender, age, religion, or race.
# Signed an executive order reversing the ban that prohibits funding to international family planning groups that provide abortions. Gag rule revoked (Mexico City policy).
# Creates the White House Council on Women and Girls "to provide a coordinated federal response to the challenges confronted by women and girls and to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider how their policies and programs impact women and families."
# Signed a Presidental Memorandum extending federal benefits to same-sex partners of federal workers and announced support for the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act of 2009.
# Reverses U.S. position on LGBT Issues at the UN: At the "Durban Review Conference," U.S. supports language condemning “all forms of discrimination and all other human rights violations based on sexual orientation.”
# Signed executive order requiring federal contractors to offer jobs to current workers when contracts change.
# Reversed a Bush order requiring federal contractors to post notice that workers can limit financial support of unions serving as their exclusive bargaining representatives.
# Signed executive order preventing federal contractors from being reimbursed for expenses meant to influence workers deciding whether to form a union and engage in collective bargaining.
# Created a foreclosure prevention fund for homeowners.
# Expanded eligibility for the refinancing portion of the Making Home Affordable plan to help Americans struggling with distressed mortgages refinance at lower interest rates, even if they owe up to 25 percent more than their homes are now worth.
# Established a credit card "bill of rights".
# Expanded loan programs for small businesses.
# Extended and index the 2007 Alternative Minimum Tax patch.
# Expanded eligibility for State Children's Health Insurance Fund (SCHIP).
# Expanded funding to train primary care providers and public health practitioners.
# Created a new White House task force on the problems of middle-class Americans, and installed Vice President Joe Biden as its chairman.
# Appoints Vice President Joe Biden to Oversee Stimulus Plan Payouts.
# Granted a reprieve to Liberian immigrants facing imminent expulsion.
# Directed military leaders to end war in Iraq.
# Allowing Caskets to be photographed when the return from Iraq with family approval.
# Released nine previously secret internal Justice Department memos and opinions defining the legal limits of government power in combating terrorism.
# On Arab TV Network, Obama Urges Dialogue.
# Gave a speech in Cairo engaging the Muslim and Arab world.
# Bars independent contractors from conducting interrogations of terror suspects.
# Granted Americans unrestricted rights to visit family and send money to Cuba.
# Ordered the release of nearly a quarter of a million pages of records from the Reagan White House that were kept from the public during a lengthy review by President George W. Bush.
# Restored funding for the Byrne Justice Assistance Grant (Byrne/JAG) program.
# Released presidential records.
# Required new hires to sign a form affirming their hiring was not due to political affiliation or contributions.
# Pushed for enactment of Matthew Shepard Act, which expands hate crime law to include sexual orientation and other factors.
# Invites gay families to the Easter Egg Roll as part of the Obama administration's outreach to diverse communities.
# Created a White House Office on Urban Policy.
# Increased funding for the NEA.
# Appointed an assistant to the president for science and technology policy.
# Funded a major expansion of AmeriCorps.
# Banned lobbyist gifts to executive employees.
# Investment in all types of alternative energy.
# Enacted tax credit for consumers for plug-in hybrid cars.
# Support for high-speed rail.
# Provided grants to encourage energy-efficient building codes.
# Extended unemployment insurance benefits and temporarily suspend taxes on these benefits.
# Created the White House Council on Automotive Communities and Workers to help auto industry workers transition to new manufacturing opportunities, including jobs in alternative energy.
# Stopped raids on medical marijuana dispensers.
# Nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the Supreme Court of the United States. If confirmed, Sotomayor would be the first Hispanic to ever serve on the Supreme Court.
# Appointed more than 60 openly LGBT persons to positions in the executive branch.
# Issues Presidential Proclamation for Pride, proclaiming June 2009 as Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month.
# Signed a mercury reduction pact with 140 other nations.
# Signed the Weapons System Acquisition Reform Act to curb wasteful spending by the Pentagon. Intended to price contracts and budgets lower; may potentially save billions of dollars in defense.
# Signed the Omnibus Public Lands Management Act of 2009, which serves to protect two million acres of land and creates a new system of land conservation for the Bureau of Land Management.
# Phase out government payments to crop producers making more than $500,000 a year and eliminates subsidies for cotton storage to help trim the U.S. budget deficit.
# Cut funding for a proposed U.S. nuclear storage facility at Yucca Mountain.
# Restored Endangered Species Act Provision requiring U.S. agencies consult with independent federal experts to determine if their actions might harm threatened and endangered species.
# Orders The Chesapeake Bay Protection and Restoration "to protect and restore the health, heritage, natural resources, and social and economic value of the Nation's largest estuarine ecosystem and the natural sustainability of its watershed."
# Signed the 2009 Omnibus Public Land Management Act designating two million additional acres of public wilderness areas the highest level of government protection from logging and other forms of commercial use and development.
# Signed the Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act which will expedite the search for cures and treatments for millions of Americans living with paralysis caused by spinal cord injury, stroke, MS, Parkinson's and many other diseases and disorders.
# Established The Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record, a new system for updating medical records of servicemen and women both during and after their military careers.
# Established the White House Office of Health Reform
# Created new and stronger safety standards to safeguard the country's food supply.






And I think his recent accomplishments at the G20 summit are pretty important. Finally getting support from Russia and China is HUGE.

Put a little more cognitive effort into your next reply plz :smirk:

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Re: Obama [Re: Stoneth]
    #286732 - 09/26/09 01:26 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

We arent fucking with Iran. We are merely making them comply with IAEA standards regarding their nuclear activities so they will quit trying to scare their neighbors and so they dont force Israel to attack them. Everyone knows that if the G20 doesnt step in, Israel will launch a war on Iran. No way would Israel ever let Iran get close to having nuclear weapons

All of the G20 countries agreed with Obama on dealing with Iran. No one wants a rogue regime to have access to nuclear weapons. Hell even China and Russia agree with us on this

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Re: Obama [Re: Cannaboid]
    #286738 - 09/26/09 01:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

THIS THREAD IS FOR SERIOUS BUSINESS ONLY


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Re: Obama [Re: Stoneth]
    #286744 - 09/26/09 01:38 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Where are you reading these facts at Fox news? There is ridiculous amount of false information going around regarding the details of the health care plan.

I would agree but we sort of have obligations to be a world leader since we are members of the UN.

I doubt we would go to war with Iran, the point isnt to go to war. It's to pretty much bribe them to give up their nuclear program. And if they dont want to comply we impose economic sanctions on them

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Re: Obama [Re: FarBeyondDriven]
    #286757 - 09/26/09 01:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

This isnt 1920, we dont have the option of not being involved. And we arent going to war with Iran, just imposing a way to get them to disarm peacefully

We have about finished in Iraq. Afghanistan is another question but our numbers in Iraq are greatly reduced from what they were

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    #286759 - 09/26/09 01:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Where are you reading these facts at Fox news? There is ridiculous amount of false information going around regarding the details of the health care plan.

I would agree but we sort of have obligations to be a world leader since we are members of the UN.

I doubt we would go to war with Iran, the point isnt to go to war. It's to pretty much bribe them to give up their nuclear program. And if they dont want to comply we impose economic sanctions on them



The percentage thing came from a live meeting between the pres and sent heads trying to come to and understanding it was tues. or wed. this week on either C-span or one of the CNNs can't remember which one tho.

I don't watch fox news dude.

And as I said on  the world issue I could be wrong I don't know much about it really, but I myself has always been a take care of your own kind of person, and WE THE PEOPLE are in need of some now.





Ah that is weaksauce

You can't post a stat based on "i heard it on tv this week."

come on, you know better. links or its false, because there is NO WAY that is true. :crazy2:


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Re: Obama [Re: Stoneth]
    #286771 - 09/26/09 02:15 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You just dont realize how ridiculous what you said was. That means if a family is currently spending 50,000 a year to survive that they would now be required to spend 70,000. A 40% increase in COL would cripple just about everyone. That would be pretty illogical.

The details of the plan include that incomes under 100,000 a year would not be affected.

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Re: Obama [Re: Stoneth]
    #286791 - 09/26/09 02:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You have no idea what you are talking about. At all

Stick to growing weed

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    #286807 - 09/26/09 02:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

FYI, the government was forced to buy out certain sectors from stopping them from collapsing. Call it Facism if you are stupid enough to do so but anyone with an education knows the government did what it had to do in attempts to keep this country from a depression, it was hardly out of self interest that they got involved.

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Re: Obama [Re: Stoneth]
    #286817 - 09/26/09 03:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, you think we are in a depression :lol:

i dont think you even know what the definition of a depression is.

go trim your plants

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Re: Obama [Re: Yrat]
    #286823 - 09/26/09 03:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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FYI, the government was forced to buy out certain sectors from stopping them from collapsing. Call it Facism if you are stupid enough to do so but anyone with an education knows the government did what it had to do in attempts to keep this country from a depression, it was hardly out of self interest that they got involved.





you are so naive.  the collapse is the cure for the easy money policy of bush and greenspan.  all they did was prop up the unstable economy for a bit longer with YOUR money.  it's only a matter of time until the house of cards collapses again, none of the fundamental problems have been solved.  consumption has reached record lows, savings rates have risen, and you can't have an economy that is 70% consumption keep chugging along without addressing these issues.





Ok, I agree with everything you said. I never said the government fixed the problems. I was just saying the government didnt do it out of self-interest. They did it in attempts to stabilize parts of the economy that are failing

This was to the acquisition that the government was Fascist.

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Re: Obama [Re: Yrat]
    #286825 - 09/26/09 03:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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FYI, the government was forced to buy out certain sectors from stopping them from collapsing. Call it Facism if you are stupid enough to do so but anyone with an education knows the government did what it had to do in attempts to keep this country from a depression, it was hardly out of self interest that they got involved.




it doesn't matter what you think, government has no right to meddle in the economy.  that's not its job.  show me where the power to do so is delegated to it in the constitution.




show me where it doesnt have the power.

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    #286830 - 09/26/09 03:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I dont see how allowing millions of Americans to lose their homes and allowing auto manufacturers to bankrupt would be of any benefit.

Sure it is Capitalism to let them fail but can you really say what would happen if the government didnt do anything and let the banks collapse, let our manufacturing collapse, and let the housing industry sink?

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    #286835 - 09/26/09 03:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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  if someone took out a mortgage on a house they couldn't afford, why do i have to bail them out with my money?





I agree 100% HOWEVER, I think there should have been tighter regulations in place that prevented banks from lending to people who couldnt actually afford these homes

the banking industry is just as much to blame as greedy American people.

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Re: Obama [Re: Yrat]
    #286848 - 09/26/09 03:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Which is why I said there needed to be tighter regulations

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Re: Obama [Re: Yrat]
    #286859 - 09/26/09 03:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

The bailout was just as much about keeping people from losing their homes as it was about bailing out the banks

This thread has gotten off topic. The only point I was trying to make was that Obama should be given some credit. It is obvious to me that he is trying to fix things but he came into Presidency at one of the worst times possible.

Obama has just had the responsibility of fixing these problems, he didnt create them

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    #286870 - 09/26/09 04:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yes, there are millions of Americans who are still in their homes because of the bailouts.

There are all kinds of programs that allow you to defer payments for 3-6 months. Programs that allow you to modify your mortgage and lock in at lower interest rates

There's even some kind of "short sell" program that allows you to sell your home for more than appraisal value right now. My parents were actually going to do this since they are moving to Houston and still have a home to sell in Phoenix.

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Re: Obama [Re: Yrat]
    #286874 - 09/26/09 04:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah I agree with you on that. I did earlier on in this thread. I didnt say it solved the problems at all

Well Im heading out to the bar to watch the ASU vs. Georgia game and get some grub

I hope no one has hurt feelings, just talking shit about politics. Rarely do people see eye to eye and even when they do they have different opinions.

Take it easy

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