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 New grow unit systems (automated) 
#283888 - 09/21/09 01:00 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi 
Post your most desired or most useful indoor grow cabinet system here.
I've seen a few on the net but I'm guessing these are the best:
http://www.homegrown-hydroponics.com/pcgr3plsthyg.html
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 Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#283930 - 09/21/09 02:15 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Build your own. Made this thing close to 9 years ago. It will cost ya like 25% as much as buying one.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) (moved) [Re: World Spirit]
#283931 - 09/21/09 02:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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 This thread was moved from Marijuana Cultivation.
Reason:
Fits in the new forum Grow Room Design
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Magash]
#284139 - 09/21/09 08:21 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm just not sure about doing it right. What materials should one start with???
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#284158 - 09/21/09 08:42 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
World Spirit said:
I'm just not sure about doing it right. What materials should one start with???
Try checking out some local garage sales. Find cabinets or dressers.
Things you'll need to take into consideration:
-ventilation
-lights/electrical wiring
-odor
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: meatcakeman]
#284163 - 09/21/09 08:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I have access to a decent sized closet. It has a sliding door and carpeted flooring. If I wanted to just go with that as the space itself, would I need to coat the walls with something?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#284168 - 09/21/09 08:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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not the walls, but you're definitely going to want to cover the floor with something. Nutrients are NOT easy to clean
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#284254 - 09/21/09 10:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
World Spirit said:
Well I have access to a decent sized closet. It has a sliding door and carpeted flooring. If I wanted to just go with that as the space itself, would I need to coat the walls with something?
You could paint 'em flat white.
Or put some mylar on all the sides.
But definitely put something on the floor; a tarp; black trash bags; whatever.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: meatcakeman]
#284324 - 09/21/09 10:49 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Alright. Walls are already white and I just layed down a huge tarp I already own. Now whats next?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#284570 - 09/22/09 09:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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lights, and ventilation. what are the dimensions of your closet that you'll be using to grow?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#284592 - 09/22/09 10:35 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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approx 7' long by 2' wide by 8' tall
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#284595 - 09/22/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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are you going to use the entire closet to grow? that length to width ratio is a little unorthodox, but by getting two lower powered lights instead of one high powered lights you can still get nice even growth all along the whole corridor.
What kind of budget are we looking at here?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#284604 - 09/22/09 11:00 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is a very odd space (the entrance is two ft wide) so realistically if i'm going to tend to the plants I'd really have about 1' x 6' of actual grow space approx. That way I can walk in there.
Budget is what I'd call a chip-away-at-it budget, a little here and a little there. One part at a time basically. I am concerned about ventilation and aroma.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#284813 - 09/22/09 05:52 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Budget concerns means DIY carbon scrubber for odor. With so little horizontal space, you may want to work with the vertical space you have. What about back 2'x3' devoted to flowering, closing that off from the rest of the closet (no light leaks) and put up a shelf system 3'x1' and as tall as you want for seedlings, clones, mothers.
Can you vent through ceiling/walls, or will air go through the door?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#284914 - 09/22/09 09:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dear God,
I could go through with the dimensions mentioned in paragraph one, but I'm confused what you mean with the second paragraph.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285047 - 09/23/09 12:03 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as air intake/exhaust goes, what are your plans? Is it feasible to drill holes in the ceiling to vent air into the attic? What about between walls? How would you set up your intake vent to bring in cooler, CO2-laden air into the garden?
If you cannot knock holes into your walls or ceiling (which seems likely), you'll have to intake and exhaust through the doorway. Let us know if this is the case, we can discuss further ideas.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#285098 - 09/23/09 04:17 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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This is a rented apt so options are highly limited. Also closet is right next to front door. (And that front door is linked to a hallway of several other apartments).
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285232 - 09/23/09 04:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok, well you definitely need to bring cool, fresh air into your room and pump out the warm, stale air. The only way you'll be able to do this is through the door. So, if you plan to use this closet, you need a door you can cut holes in. That might mean buying a door. Get one with an inconspicuous lock. Now it's a utility closet that you can't access, as far as guests are concerned.
Your closet is 112 ft3; you need a fan that can recycle your air at least once every five minutes. With an air-cooled HPS for flowering and a bunch of flouros for veg, there'll be some heat, so you'll have to consider that too. >200 CFM seems wise.
Being close to the front door just means that you need to eliminate all smells coming from your room. Look into DIY carbon filters.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#285327 - 09/23/09 06:57 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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God,
For air purification/cycling can't I just use a couple of ionizers from Walmart/Target and just leave them on high 24x7?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285785 - 09/24/09 02:47 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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No. Ionization isn't going to get rid of the smell (maybe you're thinking of ozone?), nor will it create new CO2 for the plants to take up. Also doesn't account for cooling the room. You need an air source outside the room, and you must dissipate stale air from the room.
If you can't cut up a door, you'll either have to leave it open more than half the time (seems not optimal for you) or use another enclosure.
Saw this the other day, might be worth a read. He's venting out the attic, but his intake is through the door. The hardest part for you will be getting the air set up so it will vent out the door, and the door will still open. I've been thinking about that, I have a couple ideas. Does the closet door open out or in? I'm assuming out...
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#285841 - 09/24/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's actually a sliding door from left to right.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285880 - 09/24/09 07:31 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hmm...that may take some maneuvering to make light tight.
I have an idea. I need to sketch it up, but I'm on a long car ride. Will try to post tonight.
Does this door currently have a lock, and what sort, if so? If not, can you think of a way to lock it easily but inconspicuously (not a big obvious pad lock) when you get a new door?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#285891 - 09/24/09 08:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought about this and the only way I could possibly lock it is to jerry-rig a lock that would go in a very awkward place. Basically, it's going to have to be an unsecure door that has anyone's access although I could jerry-up the inside. It's a very tight space to work with.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285915 - 09/24/09 09:24 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Are you comfortable with using this closet without a lock? I would think that'd be dangerous, but I don't know your living situation. If you're cool with it, I have an idea that I think would work fine. If not, we could help you design a stealth dresser or something instead.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#285918 - 09/24/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm all ears on the stealth dresser. Is it possible to make it look nice though? I want it to be a handsome addition. Fashionably lean. 
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285934 - 09/24/09 09:58 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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It can look however you want, you supply the dresser!
I recommend reading around on here a bit, then ask us any questions you might have.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#285960 - 09/24/09 10:33 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well what is an example of an exchange system that's all set to go that can be bought for a project of this nature?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#285992 - 09/24/09 11:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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-light
-fan
seriously all you need. light and ventilation.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#286011 - 09/25/09 12:29 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought there was a need for an exhaust system and that also had to have filters to it exhausts fresh air?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286014 - 09/25/09 12:45 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Harry's right, you just need light(s) and ventilation (a fan, whatever ducting is necessary). If you're looking for stealth, you'll also need odor control. Search this site for "DIY carbon scrubber."
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#286076 - 09/25/09 09:19 AM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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I looked at some carbon filters and some air exchange systems. Ventilation is a major concern. I don't have an attic and the closest outdoor airway is 25' away.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286232 - 09/25/09 02:26 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you filter the smell out of the exhaust air, you can covertly vent it into your house.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#286346 - 09/25/09 06:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This sounds like the missing puzzle piece I need.
So how does one do that?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286361 - 09/25/09 07:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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just google "DIY carbon Filter"
tons of great teks out there, and only takes about 30 minutes and $20 to build one sufficient for a small cab
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#286437 - 09/25/09 09:28 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So are you saying that that filter IS the in-room ventilation system itself?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286445 - 09/25/09 09:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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no, the filter takes care of the smell, but it needs a fan to properly operate. basically teh fan is just responsible for pulling the air out of the room (ventilation system) and using the pressure created by the fan you push it through the filter which removes the smell, thereby making it safe to vent into your house
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#286449 - 09/25/09 09:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Sorry for all the questions. I'm very detail-oriented.
So the fan and the filter combined make up the ventilation system, true?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286488 - 09/25/09 11:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Knowing more about the needs of the organisms you wish to cultivate may help you understand the necessary equipment. Since you're detail-oriented, I'll post this for your or anyone else's benefit.
Since plants inhale CO2 and exhale O2, in a closed room they would eventually replace all the CO2 with O2. Then they would suffocate. Unfortunately, due to the legality of cannabis, a closed room is a must. Therefore, the "stale," O2-laden air must be replaced with "fresh," CO2-laden air.
Since (as you know) plants also need light, you'll need to supply that. Light bulbs produce heat as well as light; cannabis thrives best in the mid to upper 70s F, and in an enclosed room, your light is likely to raise the temperature above that range. Cooler air needs to be brought in, while warmer air is pumped out.
Since cannabis puts off an incriminating odor, any air that leaves the room must be filtered (there are other ways to get rid of the smell, but DIY carbon scrubbers are the best combination of effectiveness and thrift).
By using a fan to pull cool, fresh air into the room and push warm, stale air out through a filter, you're essentially killing three birds with one stone.
I suggest searching around for "perpetual cab," "stealth cab," or just "cab" to see what sorts of grows can be fit inside of cab(inet)s. Pay special attention to equipment used, how it's set up, and any justifications given for why/how. Ask if you have any questions.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#286594 - 09/26/09 06:23 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I still have some reading to do. Quick question though: Is the air being "purified" and recycled right back into the unit below, are is the stale/used air exiting out of the cabinet?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286660 - 09/26/09 12:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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The picture you posted looks like they have an air-cooled light hooked up to its own fan, and another fan controlling cab ventilation. Since that cab is pretty small, and that light is pretty hot, the heat would build up quick. They hooked up a duct pulling air from outside, through the light (search "cool tube"), and right back out of the cab. So the cool tube is its own closed system.
It looks like they're using a little computer fan on the back wall to bring in air for the plants. If a cab is small enough, a computer fan or two is often adequate. It's hard to tell from that picture, but they're probably using that computer fan to pull air in, and another fan up near the top to pull air out (at least, that's what I would do).
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#286695 - 09/26/09 12:30 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think I'm starting to process what it takes!
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#286896 - 09/26/09 05:26 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome! Keep us updated.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#286903 - 09/26/09 05:31 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the help, God. Seriously though. Thanks.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#291224 - 10/03/09 04:13 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#291235 - 10/03/09 04:49 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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To view this forum you need to be registered for 90 days and make 50 posts. You have 78 days left to go.
Please use your back button to return to the previous page.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#291451 - 10/03/09 10:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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oh sad.
Well, here, some copy and paste for ya;
Quote:
24"x24"x58"h darkroom 60 for sale. I just bought a 600W HPS and I'm stepping up my area so I don't really need this anymore. I bought it for $125 and I'm looking to sell it for at least $100 since it's basically brand new (only used for one grow). I could also be persuaded to sell the CFL setup and the ventilation fan all in one package if someone wants, somewhere around $200?
Looking for;
- Cash
- MH veg light, 250W-400W
- 150-200cfm fan.
And if you decide you want the whole system (lights and fan included), here's a little sample of what I did with this setup;
    
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: Harry_Ba11sach]
#291452 - 10/03/09 10:37 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for posting that. I think I've found the parts I'm interested in. Next it's going to be a matter of having the finances to get it going. Again, thanks.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#292794 - 10/06/09 07:48 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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What's everyone's take on this....
How many plants can conservatively be developed to maturity in it? Any pros/cons I should know about?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#292852 - 10/06/09 12:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Pros: little setup required, can be broken down quickly
Cons: way expensive, not extremely sturdy, not stealth at all
You could fit plenty of plants in there, though. Like 16 square foot pots.
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 Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#292863 - 10/06/09 01:05 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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God, have I told you I love you today?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#292888 - 10/06/09 02:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Feel free to belt out a hearty rendition of "Our God is an Awesome God" in my honor.
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#292908 - 10/06/09 03:53 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
World Spirit said:
What's everyone's take on this....
How many plants can conservatively be developed to maturity in it? Any pros/cons I should know about?
That's basically exactly like that tent I just posted, I thought it worked wonderful as it was a quick way to set up a reflective indoor growing environment. like God said, it doesn't provide any protection from fan noise, but it's mostly light-proof and my plants seemed to love it 
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: God]
#292917 - 10/06/09 04:27 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
God said:
Feel free to belt out a hearty rendition of "Our God is an Awesome God" in my honor.
I laughed.
Harryballsach, can I get an idea of how loud a fan is?
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Re: New grow unit systems (automated) [Re: World Spirit]
#292922 - 10/06/09 04:39 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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well it was inside that and then in a closet. with the door closed (and they were hanging doors that just slid to the side, so not sealed by any means) you could hear a faint hum as you walked by. just think about a room fan, similar level
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