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 The more i think about it 
#274426 - 09/02/09 04:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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the more i realize the big bang and all that noise about the universe expanding/contracting and the infinitely dense black hole at the middle of the universe is all complete BULLSHIT.
how the fuck do people believe that crap? 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274429 - 09/02/09 04:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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huh?
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: MFDoom666]
#274434 - 09/02/09 05:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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YOU'RE JUST AN ILLUSION! 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274435 - 09/02/09 05:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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eep.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: MFDoom666]
#274436 - 09/02/09 05:05 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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But really, the theories are whack. I just finished an astrophysics summer course. Shame on science for believing this shit.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274439 - 09/02/09 05:11 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274441 - 09/02/09 05:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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But really, the theories are whack. I just finished an astrophysics summer course. Shame on science for believing this shit.
You should author a better theory or even discredit the leading theory and win a Nobel prize!
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: MFDoom666]
#274443 - 09/02/09 05:18 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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GOOD THINKING! 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274444 - 09/02/09 05:28 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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You say its BS but what do you believe in a fuckin man in the clouds watching over everyone?
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They should teach african engineering at the college level. mcgyver 101
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: MFDoom666]
#274446 - 09/02/09 05:33 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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the big bang is just the scientific explanation for creation, god is religion's.
they're both wrong. why cant people just say "we dont know how the fuckin world was made"???
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274447 - 09/02/09 05:37 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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about as crazy as Christianity
where people believe there is a man who lives in the sky. who has a list of rules. who gets pissed off every time you do something wrong and if you dont please him then your soul will go to hell for all eternity.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Picklez]
#274487 - 09/02/09 07:06 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Try not giving a fuck 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274510 - 09/02/09 07:42 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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they're both wrong. why cant people just say "we dont know how the fuckin world was made"???
Imagine if everyone had that kind of attitude we'd still be stuck in the middle ages. Researching and discovering things is just so damned fun and interesting mankind will never give up.
Since you just took a course in astrophysics how about you put forth some information and tell us a little about what you learned that made you believe the leading astrophysicists and cosmologists of our age are all wrong?
No true scientist really thinks he knows anything like this for complete certain and that's why we call their ideas on subjects like the creation of the universe "theories." Of course nobody will ever really know but that doesn't stop us from coming up with a scenario that makes the best possible logical sense given all available information.
But really, what makes the Big Bang theory such crap? It's always made pretty good sense to me but I'm always interested in learning something new.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274511 - 09/02/09 07:47 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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elcharrosays said:
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Zippy said:
they're both wrong. why cant people just say "we dont know how the fuckin world was made"???
Imagine if everyone had that kind of attitude we'd still be stuck in the middle ages. Researching and discovering things is just so damned fun and interesting mankind will never give up.
Since you just took a course in astrophysics how about you put forth some information and tell us a little about what you learned that made you believe the leading astrophysicists and cosmologists of our age are all wrong?
No true scientist really thinks he knows anything like this for complete certain and that's why we call their ideas on subjects like the creation of the universe "theories." Of course nobody will ever really know but that doesn't stop us from coming up with a scenario that makes the best possible logical sense given all available information.
But really, what makes the theory of the Big Bang theory such crap? It's always made pretty good sense to me but I'm always interested in learning something new.
qft
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274524 - 09/02/09 08:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not even that I have some great evidence against it... in fact, all throughout the course everything seemed to make sense and fall together seamlessly. By the end of the class, I really thought I had some understanding about what was being taught.
But the problem is, I took everything I learned in class as FACT, which was a mistake. It's all up in the air. Looking back on the concepts on a macroscopic level made me realize that I had buried my head so far into the textbook I forgot to use common sense.
Simple example, the evidence for the universe expanding is redshift... hubble found that the redshift of distant galaxies increased the farther off they were. This shows that the universe is expanding.
This makes sense when you hear it in lecture, but REALLY think about it. Can the universe expand? It doesn't have edges. It doesn't have 3 dimensional shape. It can't move or change or mold because (by definition) it's everything that exists anywhere. But alas, it would help explain the data, and we don't have any better explanation, so let's all believe it anyways!
But the fun doesn't end there. Deluding ourselves into thinking we live in an expanding universe gives us room to come up with all sorts of other bullshit theories! If the universe is expanding, then "everything" must have been closer together in the past. Mayyybe it was an infinitesimally dense point in space containing alllll the universe's energy that exploded and the universe has been expanding ever since!
It's ridiculous! It's a bunch of hoo ha! We scientists laugh at creationists for believing in intelligent design and taking the first eleven chapters of the Bible to be real history, but we believe that the entire contents of the universe was once a little dot in the middle of nothingness.
I guess I'm just frustrated with myself for not questioning what I was being taught. I feel a fool and just wanted to rant, I'd like to hear some other people's thoughts on the matter though, maybe change my way of thinking once again.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274526 - 09/02/09 08:24 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Imagine if everyone had that kind of attitude we'd still be stuck in the middle ages. Researching and discovering things is just so damned fun and interesting mankind will never give up.
Research and discovery are good things 
However, I think a lot of discoveries are a load of 
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Try not giving a fuck
Oh that really made me laugh. Probably the appropriate option.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274545 - 09/02/09 08:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah the universe expanding thing is pretty weird but scientists observed and still do observe it happening so they had to attempt come up with some way to explain it. Not many people agree on why it happens but most accept that it does.
I read a few articles a while back talking about a new phenomenon scientists had discovered and christened "Dark Flow" in the spirit of Dark Matter and Dark Energy.
Apparently what they discovered suggested that there is a force outside of our universe that is pulling it outward rather than actually expanding itself. Of course, by entertaining this concept you would have to give up the idea of a universe and so this appears to be possible evidence of multiverses. Link.
I like multiverses
How about quantum physics? Any fellow amateur enthusiasts in the house?
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274547 - 09/02/09 08:43 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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However, I think a lot of discoveries are a load of
well when you prove them wrong then we'll know for sure 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274550 - 09/02/09 08:45 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh god don't get me started on multiverses... 
quantum physics just confuses the fuck out of me. particles behave differently when you watch them? ugh.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274551 - 09/02/09 08:46 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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well when you prove them wrong then we'll know for sure
hahah
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274552 - 09/02/09 08:49 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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better get to work
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274553 - 09/02/09 08:50 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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That article you linked got me thinking though. I'm game to believe that maybe the galaxies and things that we can measure have a pattern of flow, but I'm still not convinced this can be applied to EVERYTHING (ie the universe)
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better get to work
WHYS IT GOTTA BE MY JOB, YOU'RE ALL JUST A BUNCH OF GOOD FER NOTHIN LAZY ASS STONERZ!!!!!!!!
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274556 - 09/02/09 08:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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i am whatever you say i am (to an extent of course)
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274558 - 09/02/09 08:58 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh man quantum physics fascinates and enthralls me to no end.
non-locality..  
ever heard of the holographic paradigm? It makes so much sense but it kind of makes you go crazy after studying it for a while.. for me and several of my friends at least.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274563 - 09/02/09 09:03 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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haha if we're gonna talk about quantum mysticism, have you seen What the BLEEP Do We Know!?
That shit made my brain explode when i was on acid, but watching it afterwards I had some different thoughts about it. lol
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274574 - 09/02/09 09:19 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah I dug it when I first saw it when I was like 15 but its not too well respected by the scientific community. It's made by the same people as The Secret and they throw in a lot of their unsubstantiated ideas in with the legitimate physics which some people weren't too happy about because it's misleading.
That quantum mysticism statement kind of irks me. I can see why you would say that about What the Bleep Do We Know but I got mad respect for the physics behind quantum mechanics.
Some of the very best documentaries I've seen on the subject have been from Nova and this guy:
The Great Neil Tyson
You should watch Dune on acid. Epitome of epic.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274577 - 09/02/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Neil Tyson rocks.
good thread
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274578 - 09/02/09 09:31 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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The mysticism comment was directed at holographic paradigms (which, you must admit, IS quantum mysticism  )
The majority of quantum physics is really interesting though, I wish I knew more! I might order a book or two off amazon or something...
Just found a torrent for dune. is it worth buying acid for, cause i would be down to trip this weekend and watch it 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Ben18]
#274579 - 09/02/09 09:32 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Neil Tyson rocks.
qft
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274588 - 09/02/09 09:52 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hell yes dude trip face and have your mind melted. Most definitely worth it especially if you've never seen it before and aren't familiar with the books. The Dune movie by David Lynch in 1984 is the only film adaptation worth watching at all and it's a masterpiece.
I believe some pretty weird things man and I guess you could call it mysticism. The holographic paradigm logically explains to me many things nothing else can. Getting into Buddhism and quantum physics has put a lot of sense into insights and experiences I've had under the lucidity of LSD and DMT. I can't say a lot of things for certain but I just have to go with what makes the most sense to me.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274594 - 09/02/09 10:01 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hahaha ok will do, I'll let you know what I think 
Buddhism, eh? Do you meditate? I've been doing zazen for the past couple years, it's kinda crazy
I believe some weird shit too, but sometimes I step back and just think "nahhhhhhhhh" 
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274595 - 09/02/09 10:02 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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ps dmt
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: Zippy]
#274606 - 09/02/09 10:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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I meditate but in no particular way of practice. What does zazen entail?
I usually sit down in a dark quiet room alone or with a few close friends and we sit in silence for 30 minutes to an hour at a time. After about 20 minutes I fall into a very nice lucid state and start seeing designs of light and having images and thoughts come to me. It's extremely calming and the sensation stays for a good while afterward.
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Re: The more i think about it [Re: elcharrosays]
#274622 - 09/02/09 10:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago) |
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With zazen you're basically supposed to use breathing to channel your focus and try to (eventually) stop conscious thought. It can be pretty interesting...
It's weird to me to meditate with other people though. i get distracted. For a while I was meditating once when i woke up and once before i went to sleep almost every day, but I've sort of stopped cause I got too busy for it.
But now I'm a lazy bum so I might get back into it
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