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 Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble 
#238422 - 06/10/09 07:29 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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I feel as though i should post one of these since some people have expressed interest in an LED grow.
I recently purchased a Homebox S, a Carbon scrubber filter, a vortex VTX400 inline fan...and a 90W LED grow light from growlLED.
I then took my only available seed (of unknown origins, it had been sitting on my desk for over a year...I soaked it in water for 12 hours...then planted in sphagnum peat moss and let it sprout
I then mixed up 5 gallons of a soil mix that contains:
1.75 gallons Sphagnum Peat Moss
1.75 gallons Perlite
.75 gallons of 50/50 Worm Castings/Black Kow
5 Tbsp Blood Meal
10 Tbsp Bone Meal
and a small scoop of polymer water crystals to decrease watering frequency
and transplanted the small seedling to a 12 inch pot filled with this mixture...and left it on 20/4 light schedule without watering for 1 week. When i returned, i found this:
 
it was 2 inches tall, 3 inches wide at the leaf tips, and working on its 4th node...so i watered and fertilized with a half-strength solution of MG 24-16-8 fertilizer, changed the lighting to 24/0, and left it again for 2 weeks without watering...this time i made a booboo...and didnt raise the light enough, and the plant grew into the light. Now LED's dont produce a lot of extra radiant heat downwards...so it only scorched the very top parts of the top leaves where it was physically in contact with the light...but it looked good:
  
this time it was 6 inches tall, 12 inches across, and working on it's 10th node, correct me if im wrong but that seems really dense...which is the way i would describe the growth...i cant hardly see the main stem...though it is 1/2 inch thick when i take a closer look. I could see the stipules showing, so i went ahead and switched to 12/12 lighting since i only have about 2 to 2.5 feet of overhead clearance, and installed 2 60W CFLs along with the LED light to add 7800 lumens to mix...in the 2700K color temperature, to help with flowering...I also loaded it up with Fox Farm's Big Bloom fertilizer and plenty of water...and it is now on the next 2 week neglect session...and I'm hoping and praying for a female!
This is my first time growing indoors...and i wanted to get some experience in with bagseed before i try good genetics...so feel free to offer suggestions...I will update in about 1.5 weeks with new pics.
Peace
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: travelleler]
#238858 - 06/12/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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why thank you sir...i always appreciate compliments
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: jwes420]
#238878 - 06/12/09 03:04 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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yea i was a little worried that the inner branches would have trouble with shading...so i rigged up a couple of LED light bars that apply a small amount of white light on the sides to kind of draw the branches out where they could get some of the main bright light...and you can pretty much never have too much light...just too much heat...and these leds aren't super bright and are cool to the touch...so i dont have to worry about them burning my plant...
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Integra21]
#238898 - 06/12/09 03:53 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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i would but i dont really have a good, safe way to get the plant to light distance right with my current resources...so i just set it on the bottom of the grow tent and added 2 300W equivalent CFLs to up the total amount of light...on my next grow i will be using some decent genetics...and probly get another LED light...and then just grow purely with LED lights...I like the way it handles the vegetative stage...very compact...
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Data]
#241263 - 06/20/09 06:06 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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well as promised here is the update...
my plant is in week 2 of 12/12 lighting...it has shown some stretching
what im worried about is the water issue...I tried some aqua globes...2 of them in the same pot...and over 2 weeks the damn things ran dry...im thinking of getting a soaker hose hooked up to a fountain pump in a 5 gallon bucket...and running the pump on a timer...
I am seeing some of the newer branches looking burned on the tips of new growth...but its not near any light...Im afraid this may be a water or nute problem...
and now for pictures...
 
it is now 8 inches tall...and on all 3 apical meristems...11 nodes...it looks like the burn from last time upset the balance of hormonal power...and the node below the burn took over the job of apical meristem(s)...though the original one seems to have recovered and started growing again
here is one of the developing branches...can you see any sex indicators? I can't.
 
here are some pictures of the burned-looking undergrowth...is there anything i can do to help/fix that?
thanks for your help guys...i will update again either next week or the week after that
peace
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Data]
#241599 - 06/21/09 07:40 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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so here are a few extra pictures that i managed to get...they are a little clearer than the last few...enjoy
 
here is one of the branches that have formed...looks like a good bud-producing site to me...but im no expert
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: bobby]
#241657 - 06/21/09 12:54 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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ok so i took geokills advice and trimmed a lot of the burned leaf material off, and a few of the big, dried out fan leaves around it to open up the canopy and allow light to reach the braches that were starving to death under them...you can see in these pics how the leaves underneath are pale and sickly looking...I believe this is due to lack of light...I think that the trimming should help out some...
warning...this plant is UGLY
sorry for the sideways picture
let me know if you notice anything obvious that I am doing wrong...I do not have a lot of experience with this and will appreciate any help i can get
thanks in advance
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: geokills]
#241706 - 06/21/09 04:34 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks geokills,
I am currently watering every 2 weeks just because that is the only time i can get to my plant...I know its retarded...but i was trying to get some experience in with some bagseed before i invested in some decent genetics...also i will be able to care for it more often later on...so my future grows will probably look much better.
i have a decent amount of natural nutes from the soil mix...blood meal, bone meal, worm castings, black kow...and now that it is in flowering i am going a little light on the fox farm's big bloom liquid fertilizer...every 2 weeks, per direction minus a little just so i dont over do it.
I am also using water crystals and a huge pot relative to plant size to try and hold moisture reserves since I only water every 2 weeks...and when i do water, I water deep, until i see a small amount of water coming out of the drain holes...I am hoping that this will also help stimulate root growth...
I am currently trying to arrange my schedule so that in a few weeks i can start watering every week, but for now I am just trying to work with what I have...
thanks for the advice...keep it commin everyone 
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Inverted]
#242079 - 06/22/09 04:16 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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thanks for the encouragement guys...I'm glad there are so many people around here to help me out of my n00b shell...
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Data]
#245168 - 07/02/09 07:04 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ok Update!!! This is week 9 since i germinated the seed...and week 4 since i initiated flowering...
So mucho thanks to geokills, and mucho thanks to inverted and everyone else that offered optimism...I believe its starting to pay off.
Plant is now 13 inches tall at its highest point, 20 inches wide at its widest point...and working on its 14th node on the main stem...
It is definitely a female...as is visible in the pictures...
 
 
So far I am very pleased...i do have some lower branches that are growing right under the higher branches though...and was wondering if i should tie them to move them to the side a little so that the lower flowering branches can get more light?
thanks again everyone...and i will post more pics in the next few days
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Ben18]
#245174 - 07/02/09 08:45 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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it smells amazing...everytime i look at it...i just wanna eat it haha
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: geokills]
#245240 - 07/02/09 11:33 AM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
geokills said:
Fantastic. You're obviously taking much better care of that plant now. Great job! 
actually i only did what you told me to do...watered it thoroughly and left it alone for 2 weeks...no watering, no extra nutes...just 12/12 lights and solitude...i guess the plant was stressed from being burned...and maybe lacking proper nutes...i fertilized pretty heavily when i watered last...and for some reason this time the pot was still heavy with moisture when i checked on it...which has never happened after 2 weeks of being left alone...strange, but im not complaining
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Audz]
#245286 - 07/02/09 01:09 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Audz said:
Not sure if I missed it or not, but are you still rocking the LED panel? I noticed the CFLs in the last pics, is that supplemental?
Looking great, though!
LED's are still being rocked...I added 2 60W (300W equivalent) CFLs at 3900 lumens per bulb...in the 2700K range...just to help get some light at a few different angles to draw out the little branches hidden inside the forest...
I decided to tie down some branches to open up the canopy and spread the bud sites out a little so they can all receive ample light...here are some pics..
 
Before...
 
and after...
and here is a couple of the bud sites...i love these pictures...
 
let me know if you notice anything wrong...or if you have any suggestions...thanks again guys... 
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Integra21]
#245759 - 07/03/09 01:43 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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so i have a question...
I will be leaving again in a day or two...and the plant will be left on its own for the next 2 weeks...I am wondering how much taller the plant will get. I have heard that they go through a stretching phase where they can double in height...but then just kinda slow down with vertical growth and focus on bud production...I am currently 4 weeks into flowering...is that enough time for the stretching phase to have finished up? I need to know so i can lower the plant a little before i leave...it currently has about 6 inches minimum from any light source...but i dont want it to touch the lights...any help would be awesome
thanks in advance
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: geokills]
#246472 - 07/06/09 07:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok while im waiting for flowering to progress...I figured i would ask a stupid question that probly cant be answered...
based on the size of the plant, and the fact that it is 4 weeks into flowering...what would be a conservative estimate of total bud yield off of that plant? It doesnt have to be exact...it can be a guess...or a range based on genetics...i would just like to have something to talk about while im waiting to check on my plant again...
peace
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: geokills]
#247328 - 07/08/09 07:21 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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well I am sold on LEDs...I just bought a new 120W LED light from the same company...and plan on doing another growtent...hopefully with avalanche genetics from highgrade seeds...
but for now...ill just dream about my baby...
peace
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Data]
#251067 - 07/18/09 02:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok the two week update is in...It is starting to develop nice little buds...and smells awesome...if you get close enough its kindof a sweet, fruity smell...very nice actually...about the same size as last time...just a little heavier with calyx material.
  
These pictures were taken when i first arrived on the scene...and it was a little dry...I noticed a few of the small leaves were droopy...and some of the bigger leaves have some orangy-yellow stuff down in the veins...and reddish-purple stems. Any idea what the problem is?
I think its from being a little on the dry side...and I know this is not optimal but from now till harvest i will be checking on it once a week instead of once every 2 weeks...
let me know what you think.
Peace
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Data]
#251229 - 07/18/09 09:05 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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thought i would do a little photo-manipulation to make these pics look kinda cool...
  
just thought i would include these since i like them...peace
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Inverted]
#254557 - 07/25/09 05:31 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok...now my updates will be weekly until harvest...
This is Week 7 of flowering...Filling out nicely
with flash
without flash
   
some pics o the various buds forming...they smell delicious...
 
These two pics were taken through a jeweler's lupe...
i bought a brand new 120W led from the same company that i bought the 90W version from last week...so when i got it...i just switched them out. I am putting in a second tent but i wont start my next grow for a couple of weeks...so i figured this plant might enjoy some extra light...its supposed to be the equivalent of a 600W HPS light...and the 90 is supposed to be a 400W HPS equivalent.
The plant is about 14" tall, 30" wide...with many many branches
I am currently watering once a week (best I can do) with full strength fox farm big bloom. The water crystals seem to have been the only reason this grow has been successful given my neglectful watering schedule...I can load up that 3 gallon pot with about 1 gallon of water and it wont seep through the bottom...gets heavy as shit...anyway...let me know what you guys think.
Peace
agmotes165
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Re: Single Bagseed Indoor LED Gamble [Re: Data]
#254572 - 07/25/09 07:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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More Pics...
   
Hope you like em
agmotes165
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