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captain.koons
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#166143 - 12/20/08 05:46 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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64 plants :o no fucking around
well if you're running 4 plants per square foot you should probably make sure they're all the same clone
what kind of lighting are you using for that?
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#166301 - 12/20/08 03:22 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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looks good you should probably consider doing less plants until you find a suitable strain to dial in 64 plants
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#170045 - 12/25/08 10:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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well
you will most definately hav eproblems if u grow 4plants per sq ft without a using entirely all clones and also selecting the right stain/clone to do the job.
so really you're wasting time, space, money, potential bud if you don't do it right.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#170195 - 12/26/08 12:35 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I don't know a whole lot about hydroponics unfortunately. I have been reading a bit on nutrient profiling and the lucas formula/mel frank's ratio's for chemical / non organic salt nutrients such as canna, gh 3 part, advanced nutrients 3 part
Basically this article which I can dig up for you if you want said that in 10 years of growing (growing cannabis and "scientifically" testing different nutrient profiles 100-100-200-60 worked best in N-P-K-Mg format. Also 3 changes and 8 changes of the reservoir didn't effect yield outcome. More changes = less maintainence throughout the week though but slightly more cost... or a lot more cost demending on your nutrient regiment. You can spend soooo much on nutrients if you go full blown Advanced Nutrients it's not even funny I think with the conn a/b and all additives it worked out to 75cents a gal and with a simple 3part maybe epsom salts as an additive it works out to 14-19 cents a gal?
with Ebb and flow 3 times a "day" or once every 4 hours during lights on and once during lights off seems pretty typical. Standard flood time is usually 20 minutes some people do like 5-10 minutes because the tables take so long to drain. I think having your pump set for 15 or 20 minutes is fine.
Remember "nothing..(well somethings)" in MJ horticulture is static. Theres many many different opinions that are valid. I personally wouldn't want to change out a 70gal reservoir 6 times for a 1kw grow. a minimum of 40gal is recommended for a single table I believe so 50-55ish or even completely filled would be great. Your nutrient solution quality would be maintained and easier to maintain for extended periods of time, less pH swings, more nutrients availible... ect.
The grower in the article uses 3 changes including the initial first fill
http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm
When my life permits(im currently not growing) I'm going to do a side by side using a simple lucas formula vs a lucas formula base with a bunch of additives/boosters to see how much better if at all the additives are.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#170509 - 12/26/08 01:40 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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following instructions from mfg is definately a GOOD way to get results. you may find that it's also a good way for them to convince you to consume the maximum amount of nutrients to make them money.
it wouldnt hurt at all to follow their directions im sure.
also im from canada we dont have foxfarm up here so I have no idea about their nutrients and dont know anyone who does.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#170550 - 12/26/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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if you go with many reservoir changes just fill it up to 40gal
magash changes his reservoir every 2 weeks and i think he just tops it off with water... his results are outstanding.
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I don't know how big your set up is but if you look at the amount spent on nutrients per grow or per year it can be several thousands of dollars. This is also aimed towards maximum plant growth so less = more.
I know a guy who spends 1100$ every 2 months (worked out to what he actually uses) and his garden is run perpetually so he spends that 6 times a year.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#182485 - 01/15/09 03:29 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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I wouldn't want to drive 8hours to buy things, order online?
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#182520 - 01/15/09 05:16 PM (16 years, 14 days ago) |
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That's alright then I suppose.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: AKSE]
#185076 - 01/19/09 09:49 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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Also, if you don't have seperate resivours for each plant, if you get a contamination, or nutrient or ph imbalance, instead of having one plant get burned or sick, they all will.
Quality, not Quantity.
you don't know what you're talking about... having 16 or 64 plants in that space isn't going to change anything. hydroponics is always 1 reservoir many plants... and typically people use monocultures so growth, and nutrient neeeds and such are all the same. all plants will be subject to the same factors not because of the reservoir but because theyre all the same... 64 plants will be treated like 1....
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#185090 - 01/19/09 10:13 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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you really can't start with 64 plants in a 4x4 area though. you need to find a plant that will finish flower and be suitable for 4plants per sq ft area.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: AKSE]
#185114 - 01/19/09 10:39 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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AKSE said:
Also, if you don't have seperate resivours for each plant, if you get a contamination, or nutrient or ph imbalance, instead of having one plant get burned or sick, they all will.
Quality, not Quantity.
you don't know what you're talking about... having 16 or 64 plants in that space isn't going to change anything. hydroponics is always 1 reservoir many plants... and typically people use monocultures so growth, and nutrient neeeds and such are all the same. all plants will be subject to the same factors not because of the reservoir but because theyre all the same... 64 plants will be treated like 1....
Hydroponics is not always one reservoir, DWC in buckets for example. Also the point of my post is, if he is new to cultivation and all, wouldn't you tend to reccommend something along the lines of a handful of DWCs, instead of a potential 64 plant ebb & flow or other? I'm just trying to stress that like you said, all plants will be treated as one, something goes wrong its all not just one. Do you not agree?
you're diagnosing the same plant, 64 times which I'd much rather do than diagnose a smaller amount of plants. NON R-DWC without shared reservoirs isn't my style so I guess I exclude that...
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#185116 - 01/19/09 10:42 PM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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captain.koons said: you really can't start with 64 plants in a 4x4 area though. you need to find a plant that will finish flower and be suitable for 4plants per sq ft area.
I've been working on that. White Widow.From who ever I brought it from. 16 to 18 inch's.60 to 90 days bud time.20 to 30 grams. I'll believe it when I see it.
If I have to go SOG. NO problem.
This is a beautiful place.
true white widow finishes between 8-11(shanti recommends 10 for resin production) i guess some very sativa dom phenos will finish later but 90days is pretty extreme. I'm not sure about height I don't really pay attention to what vendors say unless they tell you some figures like veg time, stretch, ect.
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Re: Hydro / Ebb and Flow [Re: KaptKid]
#185275 - 01/20/09 08:06 AM (16 years, 10 days ago) |
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im just saying basically you don't know how accurate the breeders notes are white widow is like the most ripped of strain to date. it was originally made by shantibaba in 95 while he was working for or with greenhouse seed company. They had a disagreement with how the company was being run I believe and shantibaba left them and eventually started Mr. Nice seeds taking his breeding stock with him (he never shared his genetics with greenhouse seeds he just supplied them with seeds) along with white widow which is now called black widow are appearently super silver haze(still ssh), great white shark(now shark shock), white rhino(medicine man), and possibly Neville's Haze(not sure on this one)
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