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Bagseed hydro grow - Top feed *Completed*
    #140569 - 11/04/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

EDIT:  4/20/09 - This grow was a lot of fun and very nerve racking.  I picked up a lot of knowledge from this experience.  I like to create these logs for myself but I also think it's good for us to build up our new forum with this kind of stuff.  I also did a lot of research on the internet looking at other people's grow logs.  That helps with finding new ideas to try to implement.  If I can do it, why the fuck can't you?



Aight everybody!  I spent the last few days really reading up on cannabis horticulturing and I think I am ready.  I drew out the floor plan for my growing space and took it to the hydro shop today to discuss my options with some people there.  Today I bought, rockwool, ph down, hydroton, a submersible pump, more rockwool, tubing for the drip feed system, 27 baskets, Bio-grow liquid fertilizer (given to me for free!  $25 value), and some silicone aquarium sealant.  I am not interested in the ebb and flow system so I will be water each plant individually.  I think I have enough room to divide the grow area into two sections for veg and flowering.  I want to be able to produce some clones and get this shit into a perpetual harvest.  For the light set up I will use a 400 watt MH bulb for flowering and probably some cfl's for the veg area.  If I had my own place I would use 2 HID systems, but since discretion and budget are factors I will go with what I already have - unless it proves to be insufficient (by my standards).  I will update this mofo with pictures as I get them.  I am going to start the seedlings out today in some rockwool.  Questions or comments are appreciated.  This will be my first grow and I don't have ALL the supplies I need just yet.  I think I will take a picture of the floor plan drawing I made up just so you guys can get a feel of what I have to work with.  Ventilation will be my biggest problem i think.  The closet is totally enclosed and I am not willing to bust through the Masonite walls to ventilate it.  If the walls were sheetrock I would do it.  but they are def. not sheet rock.  Thanks for reading!


The following pictures are a taste of what is in the forthcoming pages.  There are hundreds and hundreds of pictures in this thread.  Enjoy!




Vegetative Growth


11/04/08 Day 1


11/14/08 Day 11


11/18/08 Day 15


11/23/08 Day 20


11/30/08 Day 27


Up to this point I had been feeding them with H20 only (ph adjusted to around 6.0)
On 12/03/08 I started feeding them with FloraNova at 600 ppm.  No other additives were used. 

12/05/08 Day 32


On 12/09/08 I increased the ppm's to 800.  ph remains at 6.0 and both are checked daily.
On 12/11/08 I increased the ppm's to 1,100.  ph remains at 6.0 and both are checked daily. 

12/12/2008 Day 39



12/19/2008 Day 46


12/28/2008 Day 55

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Flowering


1/07/2009 Day 65 - Flowering Day 3


1/09/2009 Day 67 - Flowering Day 5

A 400 Watt HPS light was added on 1/09/09

1/16/2009 Day 74 - Flowering Day 12

Spotted 5 females and 2 males this past week.  A great percentage I must say! 

1/23/2009 Day 81 - Flowering Day 19

Lots of small bud development over the last week.  Over the last week I have bent 4 of the five plants.  Looking gooooooddddd.....

1/30/2009 Day 88 - Flowering Day 26

added cal mag and bloom fortifier this past res change.  Buds are coming along nicely. 

2/06/2009 Day 95 - Flowering Day 33


2/13/2009 Day 102 - Flowering Day 40


2/20/2009 Day 109 - Flowering Day 47


2/27/2009 Day 116 - Flowering Day 54


Showing just the front of the grow seems redundant at this point.  Buds are just getting fatter and shinier. 

03/06/2009 Day 123 - Flowering Day 61



03/14/2009 Day 131 - Flowering Day 69



03/20/2009 Day 137 - Flowering Day 75






03/28/2009 Day 145 - Flowering Day 83








THE FINALE





Project Recap

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The harvest on the last plant was done on 04/08/09.  I started this project with 7 total plants.  I put the germinated seeds into rockwool on Election day (11/04/08).  I vegged the plants under 24/0 until I switched over to 12/12 on 01/05/09.  Two of the seven plants were male.  I pulled those in late Jan/early Feb.  I then had a plant that was performing really shitty and I pulled that up at least a month before the other harvests (on 03/02/09).  I then pulled up the three that were performing equally well, albeit bad.  Those were pulled on 04/03/09.  I hung those to dry and destemmed them all.  With only just the buds remaining I had 5 OZ's.  That right there exceeded my original expectations on this project.  After that harvest I had only one plant left.  This one was actually harvested a week or two early.  On 4/8/09 I was smoking a blunt in my apt late at night and heard a knock at the door.  I wasn't expecting anyone so I freaked the fuck out and cut her down a bit early.  I dried it in the dark for 8 days and that was just ennough time.  I smoked a bowl of that and was blown away.  This is some of the best bud I have ever smoked.  Plus I managed to get over 4 OZ's of it, bone dry.  So if you get nothing else out of this thread it should be that weed that you buy for $60 an OZ can produce some of the best bud you ever smoked if you put a lot of love and care into your project.  For kicks I put a picture of the crap bud that great bud came from. 

I found that the roots were very healthy and were grown thick.  I was amazed at how much they had grown.  The total time on this grow was 22 weeks and 2 days OR 156 days OR 5 months and 4 days.  After I heard those knocks on the door I had everything cleaned up and put away and thrown away in about 4 hours.  I was working on pure adrenaline.  But now i have weed to last me through the summer time and I am one happy camper.  Happy 4/20 everyone and thanks for stopping by!


These pictures are from bagseed from a friend.  They are of unknown origin but apparently it was good enough weed to save the seed.  I've smoked the final product and it's not as sweet as the final plant below, but it certainly does the trick. 


Crap Weed


Turned into this dank sweetness!


I'm gonna go smoke a fatty. 

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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #140574 - 11/04/08 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK, I don't have a scanner so I took a picture.  Here's the floor plan I will be working with. 

A little info about the area.  It's all carpeted (something else I will have to deal with.  The left drawing is the left side of the wall and the right drawing is the floor plan.  I am still going to maintain the front four feet of the closet for personal stuff.  I will have to have two partitions.  One that is four feet from the door and the other one dividing the remaining back section into two areas.  The flowering room will be larger than the veg room.  Both will run similar hydro systems.  For the time being I am going to focus on just getting the little ones healthy and growing.  Any ideas on what to do with the floor?  I thought about just lining it with visqueen then using that also for the partitions - I will also have to use something that is not opaque as I don't want my light escaping. 

Here is a picture of the supplies I bought today.  I still have a lot more to get as well.  :frown:  The hydroton isn't pictured but came in a garbage bag size.  I think it was 50 liters for 50 bucks.  I might be wrong about that.  Stoner's memory and all.



Lastly, here is a picture of two lights that I have. 



Any and all advice/comments/concerns are welcome and encouraged. 


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #140596 - 11/04/08 07:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

One more update for the night.  I just put the seeds into the rockwool.  I did all 6 of them.  They had all broken open the shells.  On 3 of the cubes I soaked in a solution of this bio-green fert and the other three I soaked in just distilled water.  I want to see if I notice any difference between the two sets.  Here are the seeds -



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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #141466 - 11/05/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You and me both doc!  Here's an update on what I accomplished today.  I did a trial run with the system I have set up.  I think this shit is gonna work out just fine.  :bigblunt:  This reservoir is 37 gallons.  lol.  I might run 2 pumps in each reservoir but haven't decided on that yet.  The purpose there would be that I am going on vacation in November for 4 days then again in December for 8 days.  I don't know exactly what to do to prepare for that.  I guess I can work on the automation until then. 







I also noticed one seedling that is about ready for the lights.  I will take pictures of that when it gets more interesting.  I still need to find a reasonably priced white grow tray to put the baskets in.  i think a 3x3 will hold 9 plants with these square baskets.  Anyway, i have to acquire it first.  I think that is my next purchase.  Lastly, here is the fertilizer that the hydro guys gave me.  At a tsp per liter this stuff will last forever! 



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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #142631 - 11/08/08 10:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OK, more pictures! 







Those top two are the fittings I used for the tray.  I will be able to convert this tub into an ebb and flow set up if i need to.  Here are a couple pics of the little guys.  These two that I put into the bigger rockwool cubes had their roots coming out the bottom of the cubes. 






I think I am going to have to get rid of one of them in the smaller cube already.  :frown:  The one in the lower left. 





And the family photo...




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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: NobodyImportant]
    #142992 - 11/09/08 08:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks guys! 

I am not going to be updating this everyday like I have been.  Everything is basically set.  Hopefully growth continues.  I have never grew weed past the seedling stage so wish me luck.  I brought the ph of the water they are now getting from 7 to about 5.8 using GH ph down solution.  A gallon of that shit is going to last me years!  lol.  I still don't have any nutrients.  Soon I think i will need to get that stuff and get it going.  Then I will need to get my HID system and then I will be golden.  Here's a little bit of progress.  I went to town with that aquarium sealant.  I guess my thinking is that if the roots outgrow the baskets then I will have to switch to do an ebb and flow system so the roots can continue to grow in the dark.  we'll see i guess.












^This is the one I think will have to be discarded.^





Do you guys think it would be a wise decision to give these sprouts 24 hours of light a day?  They have been getting 18-19.


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #143161 - 11/10/08 04:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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i have the same thing, it stinks like shit but it does wonders.  I like to make my own teas; 1 tsp of BIG GROW by fox farm; 1/4 teaspoon of guano 1 tsp of that stuff, & some MagiCal.  got a lot of samples from the hydro store, lol.


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: t0ad]
    #144904 - 11/14/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, that stuff does smell rank and i've smelled some pretty bad stuff.  lol.  Here's another small update.  Several of these plants are going gangbusters with their roots and their top parts.  Let's hope that continues and accelerates a bit more. 







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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: JinxedSoul]
    #146874 - 11/18/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've got some droopy leaves.  And I have got some very agressive rooting on one of these plants.  I really think i have been overwatering these things.  I had to dispose of one of them today.  it just wasn't taking root and not growing.  :frown:  Here's a couple pics i took about 10 minutes ago. 















Check out the one that has the really yellow tips.  It has been recovering over the last few days.  I hate that it's so stressed this early in life.  Also notice the yellow cotyledon leaves on the plant with the droopy leaves.


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #146879 - 11/18/08 08:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I also found three more seeds that i germinated yesterday and had grown so much that I put them in rockwool cubes this evening.  I posted a picture of the bud that these seeds came from a while back and can be seen here:



$50 an OZ weed.  Let's see how those buds turn out - hopefully.  :laugh:  I posted that in the Brick weed thread.

edit: that bud was $60 for an oz not 50 as I stated earlier. 


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Polkaudio1]
    #149866 - 11/23/08 03:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Update!

I will be going out of town for 4 days on wednesday - returning on Sunday.  So with this in mind I have been focusing on the automation of this system.  I bought an air pump and a little hose that attaches to it on two sides so it provides SUPER aeration.  I got some panty hose as the doctor suggested to put around my pump.  I also bought another 48" light fixture and got similar lights.  I also bought a ppm reader and a new deadbolt.  I also bought some tract for lighting and a tract fan as well.  I guess I bought this shit in haste since it's really hard to find a small oscillating desk fan around here in the winter.  I am not sure if i am going to be able to get it installed.  I haven't taken it apart enough to find out if it's above my head or not.  Here are some pictures.  I also have a $300 check coming to me so I will just use that money to buy up the rest of my equipment - GOOD LIGHTS!  I will do that as soon as the money is in my hand.  Also, when i get back from vaca I think I will start in with the nutrient delivery.  Thus far I have been providing just water alone.  Anyone have a suggestion for bulb's and reflector?  I know I am going to get a 400w galaxy digital ballast so I need something that would go well with it.  Thanks for stopping by again.  :burnone:











Those lights in these pictures were raised so I could take a decent picture.  Normally they are a few inches from the tops of the plants.  If I manage to get this tract fan installed and running I will post a pic.  My fear is that I have to take it back and get a refund.


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: t0ad]
    #153460 - 11/30/08 01:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks t0ad! 

















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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Dr. Penguin]
    #156319 - 12/05/08 09:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think I will update this with pictures every friday from here on out.  Here's this weeks update.  I switched to floranova nutes on wednesday night and they have had 3 feedings with it.  ppm remains at 620 or so and ph at around 6.0.  Lights are on 24 hrs a day for the last two weeks or so.  I am hoping to have an HID system by New Years. 















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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #159166 - 12/10/08 12:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

heh i fed mine for the first time at like a week .... quickly realized that was a mistake, burned the plants and lost like 2-3 days of growth, luckily i flushed fast and they recovered without any major damage, after that i fed them again when i repotted them, which was like  two and a half weeks in and with way better nutes, that seemed to work

here's something to make u feel better

i transplanted this poor baby at about 2 weeks and fed it as well, and that almost killed it, now it's barely recovering after some serious flushing

it's 3 weeks old now and here's what it looks like








i'm growing mine in soil tho.... i don't know shit about hydro

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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #161390 - 12/12/08 06:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

PICTURE UPDATE

Hmm, just looking at the last update I did I can really see the growth.  When you examine the plants more than 5 times every day seeing the growth is hard.  That's really why I like doing these logs for myself. 

Additionally, I am wondering if the row of three plants (which were all three taken from that bud picture I showed you guys on 11/18) is of an indica strain.  Notice how much fatter those leaves are than the four growing behind them?




^indica??^









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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Sirius]
    #162488 - 12/14/08 11:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys!  By known genetics do you mean a clone?  Are there other ways to obtain known genetics?  Like seeds?  After this grow I am planning on getting a house and really getting into this stuff.  I'd like to grow out some Master Kush first and get a mother plant from that then start work on cloning it and growing out maybe 8 plants at a time.  I think I am going to fill the tray with hydroton this week so that the roots will actually grow out into it - through the baskets.  Right now the roots all look like they are constricted when they hit the bottom of the tray.  I have to leave town next Saturday and won't be back until 8 days later.  I am very nervous about this.  Nervous about my landlord entering while i am gone.  I've got some ideas though.  but they involve closing the closet door for 8 days.  :frown:  I've got an air purifier that I could put outside of the room and run a hose into the closet though.  I will have to get a deionized or something for the smell too.  Flowering will begin as soon as I get the HID system purchased and set up - guaranteed to be no sooner than January 1.  So these ladies (hopefully) have another 2 weeks of veging at least.  I will look into topping the plants off.  I think they are going to outgrow this little tray that i am using.  i was thinking about doing a scrog for them.  One of the plants all ready has three main stems.  In this picture you can only see two of them clearly...

12/13/08



Also, I am amazed at how fast and hearty these stalks grow.  These things are very sturdy.  :laugh:



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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #166096 - 12/20/08 01:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

UPDATE TIME!!!












^See how glossy that last one is?  I seem to be having some difficulty, i think.  The leaves at the bottom of some of the plants are turning yellow and then falling off.  it's only the very bottom leaves though. 







I am about to leave again.  This time I will be gone for about 8 days.  I hope these beauties make it through unsupervised.  I will have 2 fans going in the room 24/7 and a deionizer also going 24/7.  I bought more hydroton and filled the entire tray with it.  That was after i rinsed, soaked with h202, drained and partially dried them.  I also moved the entire tray lower to the ground so that i could have more flexibility in the lights.  I will not move them again until harvest.  I'm going to be keeping the closet door closed the entire time I am away also.  Let's all just have positive thoughts for the next week and hope we all stay safe from those evil injustices.


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #172093 - 12/29/08 12:09 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)


^12 inch ruler in the back left^







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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: t0ad]
    #173716 - 12/31/08 08:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks!

Bought some DNF bloom fortifier 0-50-30 pictured here


And floranova Bloom 4-8-7


I am almost set to get my lights set up as well.  :bigblunt:


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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #174088 - 01/01/09 04:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I ordered the light today.  I got a Yield Master II 6" Air-Cooled Reflector - Supreme, a 400 w Galaxy Digital Ballast and a HPS 400 w bulb. 

http://www.botanical.com/hydro/lightsys/reflector/yield_master2.html


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Next week will be flower time.  When I do the rez change I will change the nutes and the light.


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