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 FurrowedBrow
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 Bagseed hydro grow - Top feed *Completed* 
#140569 - 11/04/08 05:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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EDIT: 4/20/09 - This grow was a lot of fun and very nerve racking. I picked up a lot of knowledge from this experience. I like to create these logs for myself but I also think it's good for us to build up our new forum with this kind of stuff. I also did a lot of research on the internet looking at other people's grow logs. That helps with finding new ideas to try to implement. If I can do it, why the fuck can't you?
Aight everybody! I spent the last few days really reading up on cannabis horticulturing and I think I am ready. I drew out the floor plan for my growing space and took it to the hydro shop today to discuss my options with some people there. Today I bought, rockwool, ph down, hydroton, a submersible pump, more rockwool, tubing for the drip feed system, 27 baskets, Bio-grow liquid fertilizer (given to me for free! $25 value), and some silicone aquarium sealant. I am not interested in the ebb and flow system so I will be water each plant individually. I think I have enough room to divide the grow area into two sections for veg and flowering. I want to be able to produce some clones and get this shit into a perpetual harvest. For the light set up I will use a 400 watt MH bulb for flowering and probably some cfl's for the veg area. If I had my own place I would use 2 HID systems, but since discretion and budget are factors I will go with what I already have - unless it proves to be insufficient (by my standards). I will update this mofo with pictures as I get them. I am going to start the seedlings out today in some rockwool. Questions or comments are appreciated. This will be my first grow and I don't have ALL the supplies I need just yet. I think I will take a picture of the floor plan drawing I made up just so you guys can get a feel of what I have to work with. Ventilation will be my biggest problem i think. The closet is totally enclosed and I am not willing to bust through the Masonite walls to ventilate it. If the walls were sheetrock I would do it. but they are def. not sheet rock. Thanks for reading!
The following pictures are a taste of what is in the forthcoming pages. There are hundreds and hundreds of pictures in this thread. Enjoy!
Vegetative Growth11/04/08 Day 1 11/14/08 Day 11 11/18/08 Day 15 11/23/08 Day 20 11/30/08 Day 27 Up to this point I had been feeding them with H20 only (ph adjusted to around 6.0) On 12/03/08 I started feeding them with FloraNova at 600 ppm. No other additives were used. 12/05/08 Day 32 On 12/09/08 I increased the ppm's to 800. ph remains at 6.0 and both are checked daily. On 12/11/08 I increased the ppm's to 1,100. ph remains at 6.0 and both are checked daily. 12/12/2008 Day 39 12/19/2008 Day 46 12/28/2008 Day 55 ^12 inch ruler in the back left^
Flowering1/07/2009 Day 65 - Flowering Day 3 1/09/2009 Day 67 - Flowering Day 5 A 400 Watt HPS light was added on 1/09/09 1/16/2009 Day 74 - Flowering Day 12 Spotted 5 females and 2 males this past week. A great percentage I must say! 1/23/2009 Day 81 - Flowering Day 19 Lots of small bud development over the last week. Over the last week I have bent 4 of the five plants. Looking gooooooddddd..... 1/30/2009 Day 88 - Flowering Day 26 added cal mag and bloom fortifier this past res change. Buds are coming along nicely. 2/06/2009 Day 95 - Flowering Day 33 2/13/2009 Day 102 - Flowering Day 40 2/20/2009 Day 109 - Flowering Day 47 2/27/2009 Day 116 - Flowering Day 54          Showing just the front of the grow seems redundant at this point. Buds are just getting fatter and shinier. 03/06/2009 Day 123 - Flowering Day 61          03/14/2009 Day 131 - Flowering Day 69        03/20/2009 Day 137 - Flowering Day 75           03/28/2009 Day 145 - Flowering Day 83            THE FINALE
  
Project Recap
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The harvest on the last plant was done on 04/08/09. I started this project with 7 total plants. I put the germinated seeds into rockwool on Election day (11/04/08). I vegged the plants under 24/0 until I switched over to 12/12 on 01/05/09. Two of the seven plants were male. I pulled those in late Jan/early Feb. I then had a plant that was performing really shitty and I pulled that up at least a month before the other harvests (on 03/02/09). I then pulled up the three that were performing equally well, albeit bad. Those were pulled on 04/03/09. I hung those to dry and destemmed them all. With only just the buds remaining I had 5 OZ's. That right there exceeded my original expectations on this project. After that harvest I had only one plant left. This one was actually harvested a week or two early. On 4/8/09 I was smoking a blunt in my apt late at night and heard a knock at the door. I wasn't expecting anyone so I freaked the fuck out and cut her down a bit early. I dried it in the dark for 8 days and that was just ennough time. I smoked a bowl of that and was blown away. This is some of the best bud I have ever smoked. Plus I managed to get over 4 OZ's of it, bone dry. So if you get nothing else out of this thread it should be that weed that you buy for $60 an OZ can produce some of the best bud you ever smoked if you put a lot of love and care into your project. For kicks I put a picture of the crap bud that great bud came from.
I found that the roots were very healthy and were grown thick. I was amazed at how much they had grown. The total time on this grow was 22 weeks and 2 days OR 156 days OR 5 months and 4 days. After I heard those knocks on the door I had everything cleaned up and put away and thrown away in about 4 hours. I was working on pure adrenaline. But now i have weed to last me through the summer time and I am one happy camper. Happy 4/20 everyone and thanks for stopping by!
These pictures are from bagseed from a friend. They are of unknown origin but apparently it was good enough weed to save the seed. I've smoked the final product and it's not as sweet as the final plant below, but it certainly does the trick.
    
Crap Weed
Turned into this dank sweetness!
                         
I'm gonna go smoke a fatty.
Edited by FurrowedBrow (05/31/09 09:23 PM)
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FurrowedBrow
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OK, I don't have a scanner so I took a picture. Here's the floor plan I will be working with.
 A little info about the area. It's all carpeted (something else I will have to deal with. The left drawing is the left side of the wall and the right drawing is the floor plan. I am still going to maintain the front four feet of the closet for personal stuff. I will have to have two partitions. One that is four feet from the door and the other one dividing the remaining back section into two areas. The flowering room will be larger than the veg room. Both will run similar hydro systems. For the time being I am going to focus on just getting the little ones healthy and growing. Any ideas on what to do with the floor? I thought about just lining it with visqueen then using that also for the partitions - I will also have to use something that is not opaque as I don't want my light escaping.
Here is a picture of the supplies I bought today. I still have a lot more to get as well.  The hydroton isn't pictured but came in a garbage bag size. I think it was 50 liters for 50 bucks. I might be wrong about that. Stoner's memory and all.
Lastly, here is a picture of two lights that I have.
Any and all advice/comments/concerns are welcome and encouraged.
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FurrowedBrow
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One more update for the night. I just put the seeds into the rockwool. I did all 6 of them. They had all broken open the shells. On 3 of the cubes I soaked in a solution of this bio-green fert and the other three I soaked in just distilled water. I want to see if I notice any difference between the two sets. Here are the seeds -
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Dr. Penguin
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This is looking great, I can't wait to see some progress. 
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#141466 - 11/05/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You and me both doc! Here's an update on what I accomplished today. I did a trial run with the system I have set up. I think this shit is gonna work out just fine.  This reservoir is 37 gallons. lol. I might run 2 pumps in each reservoir but haven't decided on that yet. The purpose there would be that I am going on vacation in November for 4 days then again in December for 8 days. I don't know exactly what to do to prepare for that. I guess I can work on the automation until then.
I also noticed one seedling that is about ready for the lights. I will take pictures of that when it gets more interesting. I still need to find a reasonably priced white grow tray to put the baskets in. i think a 3x3 will hold 9 plants with these square baskets. Anyway, i have to acquire it first. I think that is my next purchase. Lastly, here is the fertilizer that the hydro guys gave me. At a tsp per liter this stuff will last forever!
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Dr. Penguin
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Thats a nice setup. I assume it will be drip correct? Which of the seedlings pop'd? Was it distilled water or fert? I have never used any chemicals on seedlings, I'm anxious to find out how it goes.
Powder hydro nutes always scare me... Just to be safe, put your pump inside a pair of pantyhose to act as a prefilter.
Anyway, keep it up. 
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#141691 - 11/06/08 01:20 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Good advice about the pantyhose, thanks! I hadn't read that before but sounds very logical. It's interesting over the last few days I haven't noticed any difference between the fert'd seeds and non fert'd. I put 2 of them under lights this morning - one was watered with the fertilizer and the other was just distilled water. They look identical. I will probably put the other four under the lights tomorrow or saturday. And yes, this will be either a drip system or a constant flow system run periodically. I need to get my garden tray before I can determine that for sure. Any suggestions on that?
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Dr. Penguin
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Yup, cement mixing trays from home depot. You can get them for about 5$ in a wide variety of shapes and sizes. While you're there, you can grab 'through fittings' to attach a hose to the bottom of the tub as a drain to the rez.
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#141807 - 11/06/08 06:07 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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You know, I went to Lowes on Tuesday to find those trays, i was looking exhaustively in the garden section. I found nothing. I didn't try the cement section or whatever dept that would be. This is something I will take care of on Saturday. I'll post more pictures at that time.
Back in my early high school smoking days I remember getting some crystally bud and the guy told me it was hydro. We thought that was the coolest shit ever. I was soo dumb back then, well dumber than now, i guess. But anyway, back in the day hydro was like a myth for us - in rural kansas. I also think it is going to be awesome to smoke my own grow. I've eaten my own mushrooms before, but I think i would get even more satisfaction out of the weed - as I use it every day as opposed to mushy use quarterly. [/rant over]
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FurrowedBrow
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I went to home depot today. That place is always so busy on a sat morning. I usually go on weeday evenings when no one is around. Anyway, they were all out of the cement mixing trays and didn't have any in the garden section either. I then went to a different gardening store and picked up just about everything I need with the exception of the HID system. I got all the through fittings I needed - they are actually specific for an ebb and flow system, 4x3' garden tray (white botanicare), 2 heavy duty grounded timers, a max/min temp/hygrometer, lots of black and white polyfilm, and maybe a couple other items i can't recall at this time. Anyway, I am going to put it all together this afternoon. Aaaannnndddddddd im broke again.
I might need to go get some plywood to put the tray on, since the stand it is on is only about a foot wide. I will have a foot hanging off each side without ply wood. ehh, i'll see how it works first.
Edited by FurrowedBrow (11/08/08 01:51 PM)
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FurrowedBrow
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OK, more pictures!
Those top two are the fittings I used for the tray. I will be able to convert this tub into an ebb and flow set up if i need to. Here are a couple pics of the little guys. These two that I put into the bigger rockwool cubes had their roots coming out the bottom of the cubes.
I think I am going to have to get rid of one of them in the smaller cube already. The one in the lower left.
And the family photo...
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Hefe
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Nice looking setup so far, man.
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 Annom
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Great setup! I'm curious to see how those little seedlings will develop!
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Annom]
#142865 - 11/09/08 02:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Looking good 
Good luck
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FurrowedBrow
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Thanks guys!
I am not going to be updating this everyday like I have been. Everything is basically set. Hopefully growth continues. I have never grew weed past the seedling stage so wish me luck. I brought the ph of the water they are now getting from 7 to about 5.8 using GH ph down solution. A gallon of that shit is going to last me years! lol. I still don't have any nutrients. Soon I think i will need to get that stuff and get it going. Then I will need to get my HID system and then I will be golden. Here's a little bit of progress. I went to town with that aquarium sealant. I guess my thinking is that if the roots outgrow the baskets then I will have to switch to do an ebb and flow system so the roots can continue to grow in the dark. we'll see i guess.
^This is the one I think will have to be discarded.^
Do you guys think it would be a wise decision to give these sprouts 24 hours of light a day? They have been getting 18-19.
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t0ad
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Quote:
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i have the same thing, it stinks like shit but it does wonders. I like to make my own teas; 1 tsp of BIG GROW by fox farm; 1/4 teaspoon of guano 1 tsp of that stuff, & some MagiCal. got a lot of samples from the hydro store, lol.
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: t0ad]
#144904 - 11/14/08 07:42 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, that stuff does smell rank and i've smelled some pretty bad stuff. lol. Here's another small update. Several of these plants are going gangbusters with their roots and their top parts. Let's hope that continues and accelerates a bit more.
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Dr. Penguin
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I personally like to run 24/0 as long as heat isn't a problem. The plants will grow a bit faster under 24/0 than 18/6 but its all a matter of circumstance.
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#145546 - 11/16/08 05:15 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I would cover that rockwool with mylar or some other reflective material.
bounce the light back and discourage mold and bacteria growth. Other then that looking pretty sweet.
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Bagseed hydro grow [Re: JinxedSoul]
#146874 - 11/18/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I've got some droopy leaves. And I have got some very agressive rooting on one of these plants. I really think i have been overwatering these things. I had to dispose of one of them today. it just wasn't taking root and not growing. Here's a couple pics i took about 10 minutes ago.
Check out the one that has the really yellow tips. It has been recovering over the last few days. I hate that it's so stressed this early in life. Also notice the yellow cotyledon leaves on the plant with the droopy leaves.
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