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 FurrowedBrow
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 Just beginning, need a lot of advice 
#135154 - 10/21/08 01:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Hello again!
I am finally starting out my grow. I will probably do a CFL grow like this one by Hefe. I have the following ingredients for this bag seed grow.
Coco coir
peat moss
miracle grow - potting mix and garden soil
Worm castings
gypsum
rye
blood meal
lime
vermiculite
perlite
I was wondering if you guys would recommend I buy something else that is specifically formulated for cannabis or if I could make a good mix with what I have. I also have a 6 CFL bulbs that are 26 watt and put out 1750 lumens each. Will this do the trick as it did for Hefe? I realize he had more lights though. Any input is MUCH appreciated. I will likely turn this into a log. I find that if I make a project into a log I am more committed. Anyway, my motivation is strong to get this one going. It's not going to be anything fancy though. Any suggestions at all are welcome. I am also going to buy some pots today. I read that the bigger the better as far as the pot is concerned as the roots need lots of room to grow.
Thanks!
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 impgl
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#135163 - 10/21/08 01:53 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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CFL's will yield good results if you have a lot of them. if you're trying to make it simple on yourself, why not just buy premade soil? i've tried mixing my own soil blends and doing my own organic tea's, but besides not having a lot of time on my hands, i also always ended up with all sorts of deficiencies.
how many seeds are you going to grow out? with 6 26 watts, i'd stick to growing out 6 seeds and expect to get 3 males, 3 females. i'd also start them off in 1 gallon (or smaller) pots and as soon as i switched to flower, would transplant into a 2 gallon. throw away the males.
yeah, more soil = bigger plants. but that doesn't always mean that its the best plan of action. CFLs lose out on lumens really quickly - in other words, keeps those lights close to the plants. your better off not letting your plants get over 1 1/2 feet tall if you're going to keep your lights on top of your canopy and not in between your garden(remember that your plants tend to double in length when switched into flowering).
i hope this makes sense. im drunk and have to go to class.
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: impgl]
#135228 - 10/21/08 05:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks for the input impgl!
I can buy some premade soil. I am looking for advice on whether I should buy some premade or will I get good results if I make a mix with the items listed above. And if premade soil is recommended what kind would be the best, in your opinions. Also, with regard to the lights, i could easily buy some more. I am not on a budget, but I don't want to spend the money to get a real good set up just yet, as discretion is a priority.
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impgl
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#135247 - 10/21/08 06:59 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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a lot of people (including myself) seem to love fox farm's ocean blend. if you can, get that. maybe add like an inch of hydroton (expanded clay pellets) to the bottom of your pots.
with fox farms ocean blend, you wont need fertilizing for at least a couple of weeks.
i've been using the Earth Juice line of fertilizers lately and I love it. i fill up a big Tupperware bin with the amount of water im going to use and drop am air stone into it to keep it aerated and go to sleep (this 'll take away some of the chlorine inside your water, i hear) and when i wake up, i mix in my ferts. I also like to add molasses and if i could afford it, some mychorrhiza stuff (available at a hydro store), and maybe some earth worm castings. the next day i use this mixture stuff to water my plants
You dont have to do all of this, you could just put water into your watering can and mix in the ferts and pour, but i just like doing things the best i can.
you treat your plants right, they treat you the same.
and what about the run off? if you only have a few plants, you could get a Tupperware bin again and put some bricks at the bottom of it and then place your pots on top of those, then water your plants. the run off will go inside the bin. then after there's no more run off, you could place your plants back to the cabinet and go to the bathroom to pour out the left over water.
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Magash
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#135497 - 10/22/08 04:04 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I hate to word it like this but here goes. I hate to see people set up and buying shit so they can grow and waste there damn time growing under CFLs. Floro's are the biggest waste other then taking cuttings that has ever hit growing. "But Magash they run so much cooler" bull fucking shit. I'm sick of people trying to compare the three types of bulbs but always do it wrong,
Compare 200 watts of HID light to 200 watts of CFLs. Sorry you can't it would take nearly 800watts of CFL light or more to even come close esp if the plants are more then a foot from the bulb.
400watts some soil and some dixie cups and you get this.
Try that with a fucking CFL.
Sorry I hate to word it like that but I see so many people do such good work only to get shit to show for it cause of the type of bulb they chose.
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Magash]
#135550 - 10/22/08 10:26 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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I totally agree with Magash on HPS or MH being lengths ahead of CFLs but I do think they have their place in this hobby. They are cheaper than an HPS, they are more forgiving about plants touching them, they do run very cool (because you usually use less of them), and they are easy to find.
I usually suggest CFLs to new growers because, face it, not everyone can grow weed. I have a couple friends who were interested in growing, they set up a beautiful closet grow room, grew 5 plants, then lost interest and slowly but surely they all died... Now moral of the story is, if you decide you can't grow pot because of a brown thumb or lack of time, would rather have 10 CFLs you can use as light bulbs, or a 200$ HID that will never get any use. If your first grow with CFLs goes well (as well as a CFL grow can), you can always buy a HID and use those CFLs for mothers and clones.
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Magash
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#135621 - 10/22/08 12:04 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well are they cheaper? Now if ya wanna buy 10 cfl's and have no light penetration and get the results your gonna get from them which isn't worth all the effort. Then there is the real cfl's for growing  those cost way more then a equal HID.
Now the thing about the friends just starting you got me there in a way. Now if ya can't grow and some just can't your right nothing is gonna save them but since I'm buzzing of of some purple kush lets look at this from another angle  . What about the friends that have a green thumb but stopped because it wasn't worth the effort. What if they had seen the growth rates and the yields that they could have gotten with the exact same effort but just a change in the bulb? 
Now the plants touching them thing, you have me again  but lets hit this from another angle again.  Why are they so close to the plants? is it cause the light sucks and has shit for growth when the plant is more then 6 inches from it?
For cfl's I'm gonna suggest taping two shoe boxes together lining them with foil, hook up a computer fan, and grow a lowrider in it. (ok, I'm just being a smart ass there) 
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Magash]
#135650 - 10/22/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Eh, it's all about how you look at it. I preach CFLs to noobs because if you are willing to go through all the effort that CFLs require and are still happy about the little bit of bud you get, then good equipment can only make you better. Look at it this way, two kids go fishing, one has a piece of string and a bent needle, the other has a fly rod and 5000$ worth of tackle. The cheap kid catches 5 fish, the rich kid catches 7 fish. Who is the better fisherman?
I would never go near a growing cfl, price per lumen is nowhere near as good as a HID, I totally agree.
About the friend that stopped because it wasn't worth the effort... If you know enough to grow start to finish with CFLs, you know how much better a HID is, and how much getting one is worth.
I don't know about you, but I don't have a very large space. I know quite a bit about topping and training and sometimes during stretch my leaves still get burned because they grow so damn fast. No matter what light you have, the farther it is from the plant, the less effective it is (inverse square law). I air cool my 400w and keep it ~4" from my plants, does that mean my light sucks? No, it means I'm getting the most out of what I have.
I know you were being a smartass , but my first grow was inside a mid-tower computer case painted white with two CFLs and a computer fan. I shit you not.
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#135795 - 10/22/08 07:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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^LOL. How were the yields on that one?
To elaborate more on my plans i will say this. This will be the first grow that I do. I have never gotten a cannabis plant taller than 3 inches. I am at a point to where I don't have a choice - if I want to smoke cannabis. I do plan on putting together a box around december-january that resembles annom's. For that grow I will have a nice light set up. This grow would be more experimental, yields aren't really my concern. Of course I would like to get some huge cola's but I do not want to over inflate my expectations. From what I have gathered in this thread the light is more important than the soil content. Is that true? Also, do you guys have any specific recommendations on light brands/types? Price range for a light is $200 give or take 50$. I spent the last few years focusing on mushrooms and really learned a lot about them. I hope to do the same with cannabis. The shroomery really was instrumental in my success - the growery will be the same. I need to start spending more time on here, reading and learning. I hate to ask stupid questions that have answers already out there. There's no need for you guys to rehash this stuff for me. But I really appreciate your insights guys! and magash you should make a simple tek on how to grow those lowriders(?) you have pictured there.
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Magash
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#135796 - 10/22/08 07:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
but my first grow was inside a mid-tower computer case painted white with two CFLs and a computer fan. I shit you not.
Hell I know your not kidding. In fact somebody stole your idea they are selling grow boxes made out of the computer cases now.
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impgl
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Magash]
#136144 - 10/23/08 06:34 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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i remember when i was about 15 my good friend had some brick bag seed and we decided to see what was up. we got a few shoe boxes, but em together, added foil and a couple of cfls - ultra stealth. it didn't make it to flowering though, his mom found it.
i just think floro's are a great way to get into the hobby. i've seen some crystally bud grown under them. a little airy, sure, but these people were happy just to smoke their own. i've also known people that go out (myself included), spend all of their money buying a 600 hps light set up (because that's what Cervantes said to do) and try growing weed, usually with disastrous results. They don't realize that heat build up is a big concern (you need to spend a lot money you don't have on in line fans, maybe A/C, and oscillating fans), that some plants need more of this nutrient, that the plant really stinks in flowering, the height of the room, etc.
yup. i fucked up a lot my first couple of times, and my friends too, using HID's . i just think that floro's are an awesome way to start out and that maybe i should have done it that way.
i'm not really sure what kind of bulbs to get, sorry, i've never done floro. i would go for a couple of blue bulbs and a couple of reddish bulbs
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t0ad
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: impgl]
#136401 - 10/24/08 12:25 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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floro's are a no no for budding, and MH is definately the way to go than floros for veggie growth, by far, though a cheaper alternative that still works and produces bushy plants. a (2) 250w MH spaced evenly w/ a 600w HPS is the better forms to go from beginning to end. Floros are only really good for clones who are very sensitive & seedlings. after seed 2 weeks of growth = mh time imho
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t0ad
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: t0ad]
#136403 - 10/24/08 12:28 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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assuming its a closet grow, anyway not a big room or anything...
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: t0ad]
#136424 - 10/24/08 01:47 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Floro's are a perfectly sufficient light source for flowering. They are not ideal, but they will produce great bud if you know what you're doing.
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 Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#136654 - 10/25/08 09:51 AM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Dr. Penguin said:
Floro's are a perfectly sufficient light source for flowering. They are not ideal, but they will produce great bud if you know what you're doing.
Your so right. Only I didn't know what I doing.
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t0ad
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#137006 - 10/26/08 05:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Dr. Penguin said:
Floro's are a perfectly sufficient light source for flowering. They are not ideal, but they will produce great bud if you know what you're doing.
they come out thin, and non-compacted . . . i like tight buds! Not thin whispy buds, haha. but you could technically go from beginning to end.
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#177211 - 01/08/09 09:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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FurrowedBrow
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: FugueRider]
#177429 - 01/08/09 01:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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Nice first post! lol. This thread can be closed now if anyone cares to close it.
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Psilomind2
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Re: Just beginning, need a lot of advice [Re: FurrowedBrow]
#196716 - 02/16/09 09:05 PM (15 years, 9 months ago) |
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Good vegetive.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/venture-250w-5200k-universal-metal-halide-bulb-p-109.html
This one is a good flowering lamp.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/venture-175w-4000k-base-up-metal-halide-bulb-p-104.html
This would be a great start for you, in fact this set up will take care of much more than youd expect. Has nice levels of the blue and orange spectrums so there will be no need to add anything else. This place also has the ballasts and whatever you need. I have bought from them and they have nice stuff. Just look around and pick one that has the right price and wattage you want, and be sure to look at the spectrum graph and get something that has blue and orange spikes. Even some of the HPS lamps have really good sectrums.http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/250w-hps-sylvania-mogul-base-grow-bulb-p-1180.html
This for flowering specific, very cheap and will rock your buds. Use this with a 5200 K 250 watt Metal halide and you have a bitchin set-up.
However, if you want a 1 bulb do it all set up, this one would be it, the one I use.http://www.plantlightinghydroponics.com/solarmax-400w-vegetative-metal-halide-grow-bulb-p-2135.html
You could still use the cfl you have with it, but I already had a 70 watt HPS I got at lowes for adding in for budding.
Edited by Psilomind2 (02/16/09 09:33 PM)
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