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 PsilocybinMike
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 Salvaging a moldy bud? 
#129521 - 10/06/08 12:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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For those of you with experiences in mold, have you ever been able to salvage the buds in any way? I'm mainly wondering if the trichomes on a moldy bud would still be the same or if they are somehow tainted by the mold.
Some buds aren't so bad, and you can cut around it, but it's a shame to see some nice nugs lost to mold. Any thoughts?
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Yrat
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hash or oil are the only ways i know to salvage from mold.
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PsilocybinMike
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 Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: Yrat]
#129547 - 10/06/08 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Yrat said:
hash or oil are the only ways i know to salvage from mold.
So you're saying you could throw a moldy bud amongst your trim for hash and it wouldn't be tainted in anyway? I considered doing it, but didn't want to jeopardize everything else to find out.
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BlargIAmDead
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If you toss a moldy bud into your iso, ice water, or butane you are going to end up smoking mold and mold spores.....no doubt about it. If you want mold anywhere near you lungs (flame or not) I say go for it. I will be smoking the non-mold variety though  .
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 Dr. Penguin
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: BlargIAmDead]
#129626 - 10/06/08 05:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eh, a bit of mold won't hurt you if you turn it into hash or oil. I agree with yrat, throw it in with your trim and smoke it up.
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Yrat
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#129639 - 10/06/08 06:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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in terms of hash, the trichs should break off and sink, while any plant matter containing mold will float and be removed by the early screens (assuming you are using multiple screens, ie bubble bags).
with making an extract, i would expect whatever solvent you use to kill the mold outright. but besides that, it's an extract, you're not smoking organic material anyways.
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t0ad
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: Yrat]
#131283 - 10/10/08 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Yrat said:
in terms of hash, the trichs should break off and sink, while any plant matter containing mold will float and be removed by the early screens (assuming you are using multiple screens, ie bubble bags).
with making an extract, i would expect whatever solvent you use to kill the mold outright. but besides that, it's an extract, you're not smoking organic material anyways.
but does the mold transfer from the calyxes into the resin/trichome delevopment is the question @ hand. Though the mold may not grow from the trichome, does it linger like a parasite until it reaches another area where it can continue to grow?
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beatyou
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: t0ad]
#131303 - 10/10/08 11:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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touchy indeed. just grind it up real good and use it in brownies. the heat during cooking will destroy any mold or spores left.
once removed from ideal conditions (high humidity/darkness/etc) the mold is done for it seems
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: t0ad]
#131307 - 10/10/08 11:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I very much doubt mold would grow on trichomes, it is theorized that the trichomes are to ward of predation and filter UV light, both of which require some pretty unique chemical compounds that I wouldn't believe mold could consume. As such, if you make a chemical extract (ISO, butane, acetone, or chloroform) it would most likely kill all the mold outright, and if you make bubble or standard hash, you shouldn't have any plant material in it for the mold to grow on. Molds in a non spore state are very easy to kill I wouldn't worry about them 'lingering like a parasite'.
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#131310 - 10/10/08 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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beatyou I don't know if thats such good advice. Mold spore will not be killed by any amount of heat that will not break down THC. In order to achieve sterilization you need at least 275 deg Fahrenheit for 1 hour, more then enough time to burn your brownies. (we autoclave our spawn to do the same thing remember) I really have to suggest using an acetone extraction, it would be your best bet to 100% remove the mold and spores, second best would be bubble-bags.
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impgl
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#131335 - 10/10/08 02:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah but you can make a batch of butter and leave the butter on a simmer for 8 hours like i do
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beatyou
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: Dr. Penguin]
#131337 - 10/10/08 02:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my bad, what are the possible side-effects of easting spores?
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Dr. Penguin
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: beatyou]
#131345 - 10/10/08 03:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some species of Aspergillus produce mycotoxins (aflatoxin to be exact)
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Examination of fungal growth and aflatoxin production on marihuana
Llewellyn GC, O'Rear CE
Mycopathologia 1977 Dec 16;62(2):109-12
Abstract:
Under favorable growth conditions, Aspergillus flavus and A. parasiticus produced aflatoxins on marihuana. Cultures of A. flavus ATCC 15548 produced both aflatoxin B1 (AFB1) and G1 (AFG1). The production of AFG1 was substantially greater than that of AFB1. Cultures of A. flavus NRRL 3251 and A. parasiticus NRRL 2999 produced only AFB1. All natural flora cultures tested negative for aflatoxins. No Aspergilli sporulations were observed in these cultures. In the cultures inoculated with known toxigenic fungi, the highest mean level for total aflatoxins was 8.7 microgram/g of medium. Marihuana appears not to yield large quantities of these mycotoxins but sufficient levels are present to be a potential health hazard for both the user and the forensic analyst who is in daily contact with such plant material. Careful processing, storage, and sanitation procedures should be maintained with marihuana. If these conditions are disregarded due to the illicit status of marihuana, the potential for mycotoxin contamination must be considered.
That is a journal article explaining my point.
One line there to note "All natural flora cultures tested negative for aflatoxins." Which means, you are not in any serious risk, but the potential is there. Just be safe and make ISO, hexane, acetone, or butane hash oil. As far as the risk of ingesting spores, probably very little as most of them will be destroyed by the flame of the lighter, and the few remaining will most likely be destroyed by your immune system. But the possibility of contracting a fungal infection is possible.
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Petergriffin467
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Is the moldy weed from outdoor that you grew or weed that was bought? Just asking because I know outdoor plants get powdery mildew alot and it says that its just a surface mold and doesnt get into the center of buds so its possible that it could be wiped off mostly.
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PsilocybinMike
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Quote:
Petergriffin467 said:
Is the moldy weed from outdoor that you grew or weed that was bought? Just asking because I know outdoor plants get powdery mildew alot and it says that its just a surface mold and doesnt get into the center of buds so its possible that it could be wiped off mostly.
Nah this is from outdoor buds that were subjected to a 3-4 day rain storm. Had to be taken up a few weeks early because of it and by that point a good amount had already hold nasty mold in the middle.
Not THAT much lost to mold though, so I can't complain. We actually just tossed out the mold buds, and ones that were salvageable we cut around and threw away the moldy parts. I was mainly just asking this for the future and or piece of mind, because the deed is pretty much done here.
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beatyou
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better safe than sorry eh
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impgl
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good call. and btw, when i've gotten powdery mildew, its showed up inside of the bud as well
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captain.koons
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: impgl]
#132008 - 10/13/08 04:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd definately go with making bubblehash if you're patient you can get a set of 1gal bags super cheap... but it won't be super productive.
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sublime
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damn i didnt know ur bud could get moldy
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captain.koons
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: sublime]
#132012 - 10/13/08 04:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's not hard to avoid with indoor grows but when you have really big cola's the centers mold if the humidity is too high.
**good air flow
**proper to low humidity (I always have low humidity)
even strain and growing methods help - like heavy indica's that make massive cola's like chronic would be more prone to mold in terms of their bud structure... I'd assume a sog would be good as you have just your main cola but it doesn't grow nearly as big as it would if you were to veg for several weeks and flower your plants.
Outdoor grows seem to mold really easily here because people always grow indica's and it rains a lot near the end of the growing season.
Making hash or oil really solves this and a lot of people would smoke somewhat molding buds too, I know a lot of my friends do I personally would avoid that shit like the plague.
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Petergriffin467
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: impgl]
#132015 - 10/13/08 05:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
impgl said:
good call. and btw, when i've gotten powdery mildew, its showed up inside of the bud as well
What you had was probably downy mildew looks almost identical to powdery mildew and infects buds inside and out.
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impgl
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pretty sure its been powdery mildew. when i've trimmed these buds, the base of the petioles have had mildew on them. both times that i've had them were because i'd bought some clones from a medical dispensary, and the mildew were an added bonus.
other friends who bought from the same place had powdery mildew too.
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Petergriffin467
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Re: Salvaging a moldy bud? [Re: impgl]
#132083 - 10/13/08 08:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ah I see that realy sucks you would think at a dispensary they would at least check their fucking clones. Just goes to show they don't care about peoples health its all about money.
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coda
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or, you could blame the buyer for not inspecting the clones before purchase properly. PM is a pretty common infection, it's also possible the clones were clean before they entered the growroom.
Regardless, it's a bitch to get rid of and deal with. I had my experience with it and hope to never see it again.
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