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#110858 - 08/18/08 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I just happened across this article. Crazy fuckers in the schools.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Roxum]
#110860 - 08/18/08 10:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I read about this a while back. Seriously fucked up shit.
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Investigators found that Mount Vernon teacher John Freshwater did burn crosses on some students' arms with an electrostatic device.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Roxum]
#110861 - 08/18/08 10:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Fuck zealots with agendas. These people make me sick.
It's one thing to have a bible on your desk, but to have a whole box of them in the back room is a bit creepy.
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HEY MAN LOTTA PEOPLE HAVE LOVE FOR JESUS IN THEYRE HEARTS LOTS OF PEOPLE NEED TO BE WITNESSED
HAVE YOU BEEN WITNESSED
i saw this shirt the other day in my town on some kid that said "heterosexuality, a human tradition since forever".
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: wowitch420]
#110883 - 08/18/08 12:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I saw the movie Witness - that will have to do.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#110885 - 08/18/08 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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yea. But who the fuck would let him brand you. i would beat the shit out of him if he tried.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Roxum]
#110890 - 08/18/08 12:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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This guy is lucky he didn't have me as a student. I would have constantly called him out and thrown endless amounts of logic at him until he was forced to remove me from the class. 
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This guy is lucky he didn't have me as a student. I would have constantly called him out and thrown endless amounts of logic at him until he was forced to remove me from the class.
actually evolution isn't that hard to argue against but we'll save that for another argument.
the branding is seriously fucked.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#110933 - 08/18/08 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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such as what? please share
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111023 - 08/18/08 06:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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actually evolution isn't that hard to argue against
You can't be serious?
I have no problem with the idea of intelligent design, but any intelligent proponent of intelligent design recognizes that it doesn't contradict the theory of evolution, but rather supplements it.
The fact that evolutionary history can be very accurately traced through the background mutations in the non-conserved regions of the ribosome is a pretty hard bit of evidence to refute.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
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Sativus said:
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THEBats said:
actually evolution isn't that hard to argue against
You can't be serious?
I have no problem with the idea of intelligent design, but any intelligent proponent of intelligent design recognizes that it doesn't contradict the theory of evolution, but rather supplements it.
The fact that evolutionary history can be very accurately traced through the background mutations in the non-conserved regions of the ribosome is a pretty hard bit of evidence to refute.
well for one there has never been evidence to show for uphill evolution. only downhill, traits such as non functioning appendages, loss of appendages ect. Never have we seen evidence of a case in which we see a species gain a new organ that is beneficial to the species. We also see in the fossil record distinct species not mutations between the too. Evolution merely suggests that it must be, not that there is sufficient evidence to support such.
I still believe partly in evolution but the theory is full of flaws and it angers me because most people who believe in evolution are no better than the evangelicals following blinding without any real knowledge of the subject.
Let's not go any further on the subject if we will. Every time the debate is started no real debating takes place, instead it turn into a shit flinging contest with no winners. If either side could prove the other wrong we would know by now.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111083 - 08/18/08 10:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll just say that your points are full of fallacy, primarily stemming from a misunderstanding of what the theory of evolution claims and does not claim, and leave it at that. As you say, debate doesn't go anywhere on this site.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111086 - 08/18/08 10:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll just say that your points are full of fallacy, primarily stemming from a misunderstanding of what the theory of evolution claims and does not claim, and leave it at that. As you say, debate doesn't go anywhere on this site.
why don't you address my argument then. show me an example of uphill evolution.
rather than debate you and get your panties in a twist. lets get down to debating?
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111088 - 08/18/08 10:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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why don't you address my argument then. show me an example of uphill evolution.
Archaeopteryx
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111091 - 08/18/08 10:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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or cyanobacteria
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111092 - 08/18/08 10:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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or horsetails (the plant)
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111093 - 08/18/08 10:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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oh, and don't forget sponges, and hydras too
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111094 - 08/18/08 10:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Old news if you're a digger.
digg.com
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111098 - 08/18/08 10:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I see a complete bird, not transitional and not proof of uphill evolution.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111100 - 08/18/08 10:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Can it be explained without invoking god then. Is it spontaneous or what?
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111101 - 08/18/08 10:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You expect that there exist fossils of every intermediate form? Are you aware of how rare the conditions are that form fossils, and the fact that the older the fossil, the more likely it is to have been destroyed by geological phenomena?
It sounds like you're appealing to the argument that we don't have the missing links, when in fact we have tons of them.
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I was never trying to just argue for one side or the other. I'm only arguing that there are many holes in evolution that still exist.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111105 - 08/18/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm only arguing that there are many holes in evolution that still exist.
Only if you misinterpret the Theory
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111106 - 08/18/08 10:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ah, I thought you had another theory.
I feel similar about it, but there's a metric fuckton of theory to establish a decent, if incomplete, case for evolution.
The Bible? Not so much.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111108 - 08/18/08 10:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Second Law of Thermodynamics
also lets not forget that christianity is not the sole religion.
another such item that turns me away from evolution is the human consciousness and it's relation to psychedelics. people from all over the world report similar patterns and visions. well evolution can explain functional changes I cannot see explanation on the interaction between these psychedelic plants and humans.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111111 - 08/18/08 10:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Second Law of Thermodynamics
You think that life doesn't serve the principle of maximum entropy production?
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111114 - 08/18/08 10:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Whoa brother.
This thread is getting way to tech for me.
TOO HEAVY! TOO HEAVY!
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111117 - 08/18/08 10:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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you're an atheist aren't you sativus?
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111120 - 08/18/08 10:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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all the intelligent people are flooZ
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Roxum]
#111122 - 08/18/08 10:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, I'm agnostic. I don't discount the possibility of an omnipotent God (it seems like a bit of a moot point though), but I tend to view the divine as something a little more naturalistic. What's that got to do with evolution?
On a mildly related note, I think that molecular biology contains some of the most compelling evidence for Intelligent Design.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Coaster]
#111126 - 08/18/08 10:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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all the intelligent people are flooZ
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
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No, I'm agnostic. I don't discount the possibility of an omnipotent God (it seems like a bit of a moot point though), but I tend to view the divine as something a little more naturalistic. What's that got to do with evolution?
On a mildly related note, I think that molecular biology contains some of the most compelling evidence for Intelligent Design.
Just wondering. I would consider myself in the same boat. I also would say that is where I shall stay as science will never explain the existence of the universe. NEVER!
I might get back on this discussion but I need a joint break first.
Also I'll be honest I probably know a whole lot less on the subject then you do (psych and pharmacology are my thang) so I'm wondering if you have any problems with the theory of evolution? I always ask my devout christian friend if he has doubts and he also answers yes. So surely you have doubts or am I mistaken?
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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all the intelligent people are flooZ
lul nice
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
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on a side note I think this is one of the most serious discussions that's taken place on the growery. We should give each other a pat of the back for that. 
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111131 - 08/18/08 10:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe we don't want to be serious though.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: andyistic]
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
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No, the Theory of Evolution itself has no inconsistencies. Some people use it to make dubious claims, oviously.
But evolution is pretty much irrefutable if you're familiar with molecular biology. As I mentioned before, the background mutations in the non-conserved regions of the ribosome present evidence which is virtually undeniable, especially when taken together with everything we know about biology on the macroscopic and molecular scales.
To me, the only point that can be legitimately doubted is whether there might be a mysterious force acting as a "guiding hand" in the "random" point mutations. And that's not a question science is capable of adressing, nor does it in any way undermine the theory.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111135 - 08/18/08 10:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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We don't take anything seriously here...
..well that's not entirely true. Some of take drugs seriously.
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Also, just to be clear, I'm not one of those people who believe religiously in the infallability of Science. For example, I'm not convinced by the Big Bang theory.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
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Same here, and if Weeds wasn't starting I'd get more into this thread.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
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wouldn't E=MC2 explain the creation of the universe? if matter and energy are interchangeable then all the matter of the universe came from some cosmic energy.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111146 - 08/18/08 11:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Maybe, but if it does I don't know how.
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Same here, and if Weeds wasn't starting I'd get more into this thread.
Maybe later.
I hope they upload it soon.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
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ptsh conversion is ez
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Coaster]
#111149 - 08/18/08 11:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, but you'd need to start with either matter or energy. Where'd the stuff getting converted come from?
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111151 - 08/18/08 11:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Another interesting point: e=mc2 deals with mass and energy. But what is mass really? If you buy the Higgs-Boson idea, then how does the rest of matter enter into this?
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111160 - 08/18/08 11:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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No one said that Einstein's equation here is completely accurate.
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Sativus
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: andyistic]
#111163 - 08/18/08 11:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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But it's an interesting point to think about... I guess string theory could account for it if you don't mind the idea that we're living in about a dozen dimensions. I'm hoping that CERN will soon confirm or deny the higgs boson idea.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111167 - 08/18/08 11:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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turn the LHC on already, goddamn it! 
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111168 - 08/18/08 11:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sativus said:
But it's an interesting point to think about... I guess string theory could account for it if you don't mind the idea that we're living in about a dozen dimensions. I'm hoping that CERN will soon confirm or deny the higgs boson idea.
But if you just stop for a moment and think that we're trying to analyze that which we, ourselves, are made up from - it's like pulling the rug from under us.
For this reason alone, I doubt we will ever find the answer we're looking for.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Coaster]
#111510 - 08/19/08 07:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Coaster said:
all the intelligent people are flooZ
Nah brah, all the intelligent people understand that life is something we are likely never to fully understand. And think all information and theories should be tested as best as possible to see which holds weight.
Also it is important to remember that there is plenty that you don't know. And that what you do not know may impact what you do.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111517 - 08/19/08 08:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Sativus said:
But it's an interesting point to think about... I guess string theory could account for it if you don't mind the idea that we're living in about a dozen dimensions. I'm hoping that CERN will soon confirm or deny the higgs boson idea.
I like the one that says we're living in infinite dimensions, according to some quantum crap.
Can't remember the details, but the gist of it is every time there's a decision to be made in the universe, like the flip of a coin or roll of a dice or anything down to a molecular level, the universe splits itself into as many dimensions as there are possible outcomes. Each new dimension carries out with one of the outcomes until it's time to split again, and again, and again. So in theory, there are infinite dimensions, where every possible thing that could ever happen is happening.
The theory on time travel according to this view, is that since there are infinite dimensions, there must be one that is exactly like the one we're in now, only say, 1 year behind us. So if we could travel to that dimension, for all practical purposes it'd be time travel, but anything we did there wouldn't affect the one we came from....the changes would stay within that timeline and the infinite new ones created within, so on and so forth, ad nauseam.
So according to this theory, there's a dimension out there run by a master race of these: 
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111520 - 08/19/08 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm hoping that CERN will soon confirm or deny the higgs boson idea.
i think it will be at least a couple of years before they can confirm or deny it's existence.
i think most people expect major breakthroughs immediately and i just don't think they'll come right away.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: maggotz]
#111522 - 08/19/08 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That's a bummer, I was hoping they could shed some light on it within a few month of starting to collide particles.
(And your post count is 666!  )
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Sativus]
#111523 - 08/19/08 09:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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not anymore. 
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Agent00
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: THEBats]
#111525 - 08/19/08 09:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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THEBats said:
well for one there has never been evidence to show for uphill evolution. only downhill, traits such as non functioning appendages, loss of appendages ect. Never have we seen evidence of a case in which we see a species gain a new organ that is beneficial to the species. We also see in the fossil record distinct species not mutations between the too. Evolution merely suggests that it must be, not that there is sufficient evidence to support such.
this is creationsist propaganda we see it all the time.
the aids virus mutates all the time and each time becomes stronger and more resilient.
bacteria evolves all of the time.
Look at the modern dog all descendants of the wolf there are traits that dogs have become better at for instance smell, a blood hound has improved the wolves sense of smell.
the problem with your understanding is you are thinking of drastic changes and mutations like an extra limb that just appears in one child and become succesfull there are evolutionary changes happening in the human race as we speak they are subtle yet most of them harmful and due to modern medicine we keep dirtying our gene pool by letting the weak survive and reproduce when they should have died ie midgets people with aids fat people with short legs who could never outrun a bear are just a few examples.
The reason you don't see many changes is because you think that this happens overnight when infact a slight evolutionary change may take thousands if not millions of years.
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Re: Fucked Up Shit [Re: Agent00]
#111527 - 08/19/08 10:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also, I don't think I addressed this point as well as I could have:
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We also see in the fossil record distinct species not mutations between the too.
The thing is, every time that we find a missing link, it just creates two new "missing links" on either side of the one we found. The more missing links we find, the more links we are "missing".
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