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I choose not to really care about politics or anything like that, I have hippy point of views essentially on society It's all a scam! I just get by and do my Thang and hope for a better world for my children
Quote: kreg said: It saddens me reading things like this so quickly after thanksgiving. Propaganda talk. The rhetoric all alludes to the same thing in my head and it's communism. I'm not cool with socialism either theyve both killed millions of people. Starvation isn't funny. Mass starvation isn't funny. Not allowing people to grow their own food isn't funny.
Thanksgiving is a holiday celebrating how natives worked with and helped people who were new to this continent, they had a little dinner, and then the visitors conned the natives out of their land and possessions, forced them to move to some of the shittiest parts of the country, and then slaughtered any of them that resisted. If anything, the historical context surrounding thanksgiving emphasizes the need for people to never tolerate injustice and to always work toward a better future for everyone.
I think you might be taking any and all opposition to the status quo as "communism", which is a false dichotomy.
Nobody here wants to throw away capitalism in its entirety and replace it with communism. Nobody said that. I literally covered how shitty communism was, and also took the position that capitalism and socialism in their pure forms are flawed and shouldn't be supported in that form. Since communism is an implementation of socialism, this means that I emphatically do not support communism.
Quote: kreg said: You can grow your own food. No one is stopping you. You can go out and hunt your own food just do it correctly and don't over-hunt and fuck up the ecosystem etc, there are very easy to follow laws on it that will get you plenty of meat to last you years.
And how do you learn about the laws surrounding hunting? How do you pay for the hunting license and other paperwork? How do you afford a firearm or a bow? How do you package or refrigerate your meat so that it lasts for years? What happens if all 7.5 Billion people on the planet suddenly decided that they'd rather hunt their food than buy it?
You work for that money. The money that pays for transit to the local or state institutions that can inform you of those laws, or the laptop and internet service that you use to look up those laws, or for the phone and phone service that you use to call a local official and ask questions. You work for that money to pay for the paperwork, or you break the law by hunting without a license. You pay for the right to hunt on a preserve, or you pay for your own land, or you pay taxes so you can hunt on public land that is owned and maintained by the government. You work to pay for a firearm or bow, or you spend countless hours learning to gunsmith or build your own functional bow (and still pay for most of the materials). You pay GE or LG hundreds of dollars for a chest freezer, and wrap your cuts of meat in plastic bags or containers, and pay one of the few major companies that own and operate huge power plants for the electricity to run your freezer. If you don't work, you have to move to a place that doesn't have regulation, that doesn't have electricity, and you make everything by hand, and are subject to the harshness of nature to not kill and eat you, to not freeze you to death, to keep your meat cold, etc. The natural ecosystem does not and cannot currently support the calorie requirements of humanity, and thus hunting is a privilege for the people who can afford the time and money to do it "correctly".
Unless you have money, you have to work for the money to grow or harvest your own food. If you want to live in a house that is comfortable year-round, raise a family, and stay in good health up through retirement age, the amount of effort it takes to "live off the land" would be prohibitive. For those people who are struggling to pay rent so they have a roof over their head in the first place, the extra expense/time/effort to grow/harvest your own food makes that option nearly impossible. So for those people who are already struggling, it is nearly impossible in the current economic climate to muster up the extra time or money to invest in the logistics necessary to pull up and out of their situation, they are just trying to get by.
Quote: kreg said: As far as the royal family crap.... know what other kinda territory that leads into?
I'm not sure I follow you here, maybe you can elaborate? I was trying to point out that the current system in America is flawed, using my own circumstance as evidence that the perceived liberty and freedom to work up through the socioeconomic class system is a fantasy, and thus a problem that we as Americans, who value that perceived freedom to work hard and be rewarded for our hard work, should aspire to correct. It was also an example that backs up what I was saying earlier, about how its ok to live in and benefit from a flawed society, and still recognize the flaws and work to fix them.
Quote: kreg said: Let me put it this way, I'm sure both of you own things that you do not need, things that could help someone else's life more than yours, so why don't you give those things away? Are you too greedy? You still have both your kidneys I presume yes? Why haven't you given them to those in need yet? Are you some kind of wealthy power-freak that seeks world domination? How dare you have 1 can of old beans in your cubbard?
lol I could go on.
This is also the argument used by major corporations when the public tries to hold them accountable for their unethical or environmentally irresponsible practices. "Unless you've given up everything, you're a hypocrite and don't have the moral foundation to judge others". All while creating more plastic waste and occupying a larger carbon footprint than the US consumer base.
Again, its ok to be part of the problem and call for change. Everyone is guilty of over-consumption at times, of burning fossil fuels or buying products that are carbon-heavy or unsustainable, of using electricity to keep warm even when its generated by fossil fuels. But what about the lack of enforcement of sustainable practices for those corporations that produce the products and packaging that we consume with few alternative options? What about the municipal waste management programs all over the country that have started dumping the recycling into the landfill because china stopped buying our shitty mixed-waste recycling, and tax revenue has been cut to bits or lined the pockets of government officials, so there's nothing left to fund a local recycling program? What about the untold billions in lobbying by utilities and corporations to keep environmental regulation to a minimum so that they can keep raking in billions and billions while the planet goes to hell?
These are big societal problems that require big societal actions in order to solve. Even if I gave up everything I had, it wouldn't amount to a drop in the bucket, and all of the corporations and government officials that are fucking you from behind wouldn't give two shits if I became homeless in protest of the current system. I make efforts where I can to change what I consume, which companies I support, how much of my purchases are unnecessary, etc., but ultimately things aren't going to change from individual actions alone. There is a balance between individual responsibility and action, and society-level regulation of all entities, be it individual, corporate, or industrial in nature.
Quote: kreg said: we're talking about all of this, again, on the for-profit website discussion focused on illegal drugs. You know what happens to you if you get caught with a little weed in China? Singapore? Thailand? we have some privileges and luxuries
And again, having privilege, power, and luxuries...and consuming those things without trying to think about how to improve things for everyone...or to consider that one's own luxuries and privileges are built on the backs of those without those luxuries or privileges, and to want to change that inequality...is apathetic at best, and more likely irresponsible. You can be a member of a privileged class, benefit/profit from being a member of that class, and also criticize how fucked up it is that the class that you are a member of disproportionately profits with a warped correlation of work to reward as compared with other classes. Things will never change unless the people with power work to do the right thing, or the people without power violently overthrow the people with power that chose to maintain or worsen the status quo in their favor.
Quote: kreg said: I just don't think having basic human rights is a joke. Or things like constant access to clean water and electricity... the internet.... school, work
Except you are taking for granted that everyone in America has these things. I live in a state where access to clean water and electricity is NOT guaranteed for everyone. One of the reasons we had such a huge outbreak of Covid out this way is because everyone outside of the city has to drive to local water distribution centers to pay top dollar per gallon for fresh water, that is barely inside the quality standards for the EPA and tastes like dogshit (I've had the pleasure of tasting it myself). Those spots are guaranteed superspreader locations, but what it highlights is that people have to drive miles and miles on poorly maintained dirt roads to pay $$ for barely legal drinking water, and then drive it back to their community. What happens if there is a cutoff in the water supply out to that spot, or another fuel shortage, or a community's water tanker breaks down?
We live in a country with a higher homelessness rate than Russia. The internet is NOT guaranteed, and if you can't pay the bills, neither is electricity or running water. Any attempts to make those things guaranteed for anyone in America is labelled as socialism, communism, or welfare, and violently opposed. It is really tough to find a job outside of a city with no car and no internet, so the rural poor in America continue to suffer and have limited options if they don't already have those basic resources that aren't guaranteed. I grew up in a poor town with less than 300 people in it, and I've watched a lot of my high school friends try their hardest and fail to get somewhere, regardless of their work ethic or natural abilities.
Does this mean we live in a horrible country like Afghanistan or China? Absolutely not, but it also doesn't mean that we are free from problems that we need to point out and work on. There's always room for improvement, and that doesn't necessarily mean that we consume more or take away from those that have less than us to do so.
Quote: kreg said: I know none of us have all the answers, maybe I'm just not as much an anarchist as everyone else lol.
I think you may be misinterpreting our message again. Pointing out problems, or politely advocating for something different from the two or three extremes presented...does not mean that we want to burn it all down and go without order, logic, or a functional government. That is also a false dichotomy.
That being said, you can think of me or spirit or CC and our opinions as anarchist communist nazis if you want, we still love you, kreg, and I'm gonna roll a joint in your name later today just for the fuck of it!
-------------------- “The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you” -NDT
My focal point being why choose to live a narrative where you're the antagonist? Surely that's not good for you and when you do things that are bad for you, you and everyone around you suffer.
Quote: There's always room for improvement, and that doesn't necessarily mean that we consume more or take away from those that have less than us to do so.
And God bless we have the freedom to seek and work on those improvements. Some countries just discussion like this would get you in trouble, talks of dissent and conspiracy.
Quote: I'm not sure I follow you here, maybe you can elaborate?
IDK the rhetoric just seemed self antagonizing to me, im still re reading through your last post
i love this guy, this event just made me love him more. Imagine the heavy ass testicles of steel to have a straight face in that interview with that unscripted question and say "Yeah I don't know what that is"
Quote: kreg said: My focal point being why choose to live a narrative where you're the antagonist? Surely that's not good for you and when you do things that are bad for you, you and everyone around you suffer.
But how am I the antagonist? I was born into my situation and chose to work hard and sacrifice, even though I didn't have to. I have made a good living and am happy with how I've tried to do the right thing.
But that does not mean that I shouldn't recognize my own privilege and make the determination that its an unfair system that just happened to work out well for me. That's all. I'm not apologizing for my situation that I had no control over, more just acknowledging that the unfair system exists and that it should be fixed. What would make me an antagonist is if I singularly enjoyed all of the fruits of my labor and unfair privilege without trying to make the world a better place, leveraging the unfair advantage I have to help lift up others who weren't born into that advantage.
Quote: kreg said: And God bless we have the freedom to seek and work on those improvements. Some countries just discussion like this would get you in trouble, talks of dissent and conspiracy.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Why not use those freedoms to actively improve the problems that still exist? Why not use our country's influence to build tighter relationships with the rest of the world, rather than fucking them over or forcing regime changes when we see things we don't like? When we aren't constantly trying to seek out and solve problems that can and do continuously develop in a free country, that's when corruption sneaks in while everyone is enjoying the everyday benefits of our freedoms. Freedom is a constant work-in-progress, and is constantly under assault by those who would have us all working in mill towns again while they enjoy all of the spoils of our labor.
-------------------- “The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you” -NDT
Quote: kreg said: i love this guy, this event just made me love him more. Imagine the heavy ass testicles of steel to have a straight face in that interview with that unscripted question and say "Yeah I don't know what that is"
I love this clip
I mean, I would have to think for a minute on that question...and I think the anchor really made it a more difficult memorization question by not just saying "What would you do about Syria?".
Johnson played it off really well though, lol.
-------------------- “The Universe is under no obligation to make sense to you” -NDT
Paw made a similar thread in OTD and now I am bannoreds
-------------------- Bassui wrote the following letter to one of his disciples who was about to die:
"The essence of your mind is not born, so it will never die. It is not an existence, which is perishable. It is not an emptiness, which is a mere void. It has neither color nor form. It enjoys no pleasures and suffers no pains.
"I know you are very ill. Like a good Zen student, you are facing that sickness squarely. You may not know exactly who is suffering, but question yourself: What is the essence of this mind? Think only of this. You will need no more. Covet nothing. Your end which is endless is as a snowflake dissolving in the pure air."
Quote: Fleabag Friend said: Paw made a similar thread in OTD and now I am bannoreds
haaa. I can't do OTD. I obviously understand humor and jokes but that part of my brain must be where all the olneys lesions are going or something. If i'm having a bad day and someone is joking with me it will piss me off, and I hardly ever throw jokes back other people's way. Puns and like dad jokes sometimes, word play stuff. Even if I'm not having a bad day I just don't process uh rude banter? I don't even know what it's called.
Quote: Fleabag Friend said: Paw made a similar thread in OTD and now I am bannoreds
haaa. I can't do OTD. I obviously understand humor and jokes but that part of my brain must be where all the olneys lesions are going or something. If i'm having a bad day and someone is joking with me it will piss me off, and I hardly ever throw jokes back other people's way. Puns and like dad jokes sometimes, word play stuff. Even if I'm not having a bad day I just don't process uh rude banter? I don't even know what it's called.
Im with kreg. The most I'll do is push 1234go and koods buttons
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