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 TrueHerbCrystal
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 Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS?  [Re: Data]
#823655 - 02/12/17 10:55 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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You're so close to being Human...
A very enlightening (excuse the pun) thread, thanks for the lessons guys.
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 Scribbler
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Magash]
#823779 - 02/16/17 01:08 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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How beneficial is it to have CFL's as side lighting? I have 8 CFL's in my tent along with a 600w HPS. Maybe overkill? I dunno...
Depends on the size of the tent or how much space your trying to light.
There are 2x23w CFL's under each dome hood in the 2 corners.
just put this in there today 4x23w CFLs
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ice
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Scribbler]
#824329 - 03/02/17 10:04 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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i didnt read every post so maybe i missed something,
so my question is: why the hell wouldnt you run your hydro system with the hps light, that will get you the best results.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: ice]
#824338 - 03/02/17 12:14 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hydro isn't a guaranteed best result compared to soil whatsoever. I used to run hydro, and have gone back to soil. I much prefer it.
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ice
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#824339 - 03/02/17 12:22 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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i agree, my soil grows are always consistent, my hydro grows usually produce much more weight, but i have had hydro grows that ended up very dissapointing. soil is definetly more forgiving.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: ice]
#824355 - 03/02/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've been able to get just as much weight from my soil grows as I had from my hydro grows.
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TrueHerbCrystal
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#824396 - 03/04/17 08:17 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didnt know soil was so on-par with hydro system 
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ice
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#824403 - 03/05/17 08:00 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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it can be, absolutely. "technically" speaking if you grow three crops, one in soil one in hydro and one in aeroponics, all the same strain, all the same genetics, then technically you should get more from hydro than you do from soil, and technically you should get more from aero than you do from hydro, the reason is simple, in a hydro system your roots have more access to oxygen than they do in soil, and in an aeroponic system your roots have more access to oxygen than they do in a hydroponic system. the more oxygen your roots can take in, the more nutes they can handle and the healthier the plant will be.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: ice]
#824427 - 03/05/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Hydro does NOT yield more than soil. Period. You don't see ANY large scale growers running hydro anymore.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#824432 - 03/05/17 10:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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excert from hightimess magazin
http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/
Advanced Hydro
The larger yields associated with hydroponic growing are directly correlated with faster growth.
“The biggest advantage to hydroponics is the growth rate of the plants,” confirms Joe Bender, chief horticulturalist at Breakwater Alternative Health Center. “A constantly recirculating nutrient solution ensures that the roots are always bathed in a steady supply of nutrients, while still constantly providing plenty of oxygen for the roots.”
Since roots need oxygen for respiration, Bender explains, a potting mix won’t hold the optimal amount of oxygen to sustain the accelerated growth that hydroponics creates. “A freshly watered potting mix, such as peat, perlite and vermiculite in a 3:1:1 ratio, holds less oxygen than is ideal for roots. Therefore, plants grown in potting mix must dry between waterings in order to provide sufficient oxygen to the roots,” he observes. “As a potting mix dries, it gradually allows more oxygen to reach the roots, but simultaneously water and dissolved nutrients become harder for the roots to absorb, and the solution in the area surrounding the roots becomes depleted of nutrients—unlike in a hydroponic system, which constantly replenishes this would-be depletion zone. The combination of constantly available, optimal levels of both water and oxygen in a hydroponic system allows plants to grow much faster.”
thears also a whole buch of pictures on the same page showing some massive hydro setups
and that all from hightime magazin not some wannabe magazi hightimes mag the longtime standing leader of cultivation mags
check it out yourself
http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/
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phychotron
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed]
#824444 - 03/06/17 09:55 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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All the large recreational Washington grows I know about are using coco (300 1k lights on one), though I've heard of a few outdoor farms on the east side of the state that use soil.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed] 1
#824447 - 03/06/17 12:38 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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High times is horse shit for information.
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wendyweed
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Deadkndys420]
#824449 - 03/06/17 01:47 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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i found this today
i think this best answers the question
I do think it’s safe to assume though that from the very beginning of hydroponic marijuana cultivation, there was likely a debate as to which was better, hydroponics or soil. That debate continues on into today. I have many friends that swear that one is better than the other, and they will argue to the death with anyone that will participate. Which one is better is largely a subjective determination, and really depends on what you value most as a grower.
I have grow marijuana both ways, and definitely believe that both methods have their merits and drawbacks.
to each there own
just keep on growing!!!
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phychotron
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed]
#824451 - 03/06/17 02:12 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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A good dialed in system is a good dialed in system. You don't do certain things in a hydro garden that you do in a soil garden or even another hydro system. Sometimes people are using a combination of techniques that might not be optimal for their feed style.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: wendyweed]
#824479 - 03/07/17 12:48 AM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
wendyweed said:
excert from hightimess magazin
http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/
Advanced Hydro
The larger yields associated with hydroponic growing are directly correlated with faster growth.
“The biggest advantage to hydroponics is the growth rate of the plants,” confirms Joe Bender, chief horticulturalist at Breakwater Alternative Health Center. “A constantly recirculating nutrient solution ensures that the roots are always bathed in a steady supply of nutrients, while still constantly providing plenty of oxygen for the roots.”
Since roots need oxygen for respiration, Bender explains, a potting mix won’t hold the optimal amount of oxygen to sustain the accelerated growth that hydroponics creates. “A freshly watered potting mix, such as peat, perlite and vermiculite in a 3:1:1 ratio, holds less oxygen than is ideal for roots. Therefore, plants grown in potting mix must dry between waterings in order to provide sufficient oxygen to the roots,” he observes. “As a potting mix dries, it gradually allows more oxygen to reach the roots, but simultaneously water and dissolved nutrients become harder for the roots to absorb, and the solution in the area surrounding the roots becomes depleted of nutrients—unlike in a hydroponic system, which constantly replenishes this would-be depletion zone. The combination of constantly available, optimal levels of both water and oxygen in a hydroponic system allows plants to grow much faster.”
thears also a whole buch of pictures on the same page showing some massive hydro setups
and that all from hightime magazin not some wannabe magazi hightimes mag the longtime standing leader of cultivation mags
check it out yourself
http://hightimes.com/grow/the-ultimate-high-times-guide-how-to-hydro/
Great, Hightimes is a fucking joke. The majority of the information is just advertisement space. I've been growing for about 15 years now. I've grown extensively with both hydro, and soil. And it all just comes down to preference. One isn't better than the other. Period.
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Tetracan420
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#824490 - 03/07/17 12:56 PM (7 years, 8 months ago) |
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Man oh man, bro my first grow was a cfl setup with collected chip bag Mylar and a 4x4 water table. 20 plants yielded me 1/2 ounce what a waste of time. That was - long long time ago. I now run a 1000watt in a promix 11 plants yeild me anywhere from 18-30 oz but I also use some training methods. You have a lot to learn but your in the spot I see you already got a world of useful Information
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