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TrueHerbCrystal
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Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS?
#823573 - 02/10/17 04:40 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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What type of growing would produce a better quality bud in the end?
Hydroponics with CFL lights only or Soil with HPS lights only?
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#823574 - 02/10/17 05:06 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well HPS duh!
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Deadkndys420]
#823575 - 02/10/17 05:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's a stupid question.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] 1
#823581 - 02/11/17 06:04 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I would argue that the way the question was phrased involves too many variables. Even if one assumes that you meant equivalent systems, this could technically mean truly equivalent systems from a bud quality perspective. I'm sure that there is some crazy, expensive, hypothetical CFL/Hydro system that could technically compete with a small, cheap HPS/Soil system.
However, the responses you got reflect the practical answer, where money and simplicity are factored in. The CFL/Hydro system that could compete with HPS would be so much more expensive on a per ounce of bud basis, that it would be wholly impractical to attempt.
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TrueHerbCrystal
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
#823582 - 02/11/17 06:10 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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i see.
So an expensive cfl/hydro set up might compete with a cheap hps/soil set up...
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Magash
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal] 1
#823583 - 02/11/17 06:49 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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TrueHerbCrystal said: What type of growing would produce a better quality bud in the end?
Hydroponics with CFL lights only or Soil with HPS lights only?
You have to remember that you can't use the same wattages. In order to the the same amount of light from a cfl light you have to use a ton more power. 1000watts of cfl might be the same as 250watts of hps or mh light.
You'd need a shitload of cfl light to come close to the HPS or MH. In other-words if you choose cfl light you're bringing a knife to a gunfight.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: TrueHerbCrystal]
#823585 - 02/11/17 08:07 AM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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TrueHerbCrystal said: i see.
So an expensive cfl/hydro set up might compete with a cheap hps/soil set up...
"Might" is the key word there, it would take some serious work to get equivalent quality.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
#823588 - 02/11/17 02:20 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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How beneficial is it to have CFL's as side lighting? I have 8 CFL's in my tent along with a 600w HPS. Maybe overkill? I dunno...
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Magash
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Scribbler]
#823592 - 02/11/17 06:50 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Scribbler said: How beneficial is it to have CFL's as side lighting? I have 8 CFL's in my tent along with a 600w HPS. Maybe overkill? I dunno...
Depends on the size of the tent or how much space your trying to light.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Magash]
#823626 - 02/12/17 02:32 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's a 4x4 tent with 4 bigger plants in it. Takes up the whole tent.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Scribbler]
#823628 - 02/12/17 03:17 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was under the impression that cfls are just as effective as hps but you need to match wattage i/e a 250 actual watt cfl performs the same as a 250w hps. Actual wattage is similar no matter what light you use. Most people who grow with cfl know the actual wattage. The advertized wattage is its equivalent to other lights. For instance I have a 1000w equivalent cfl grow light that uses 250w of power so that light is the same as a 250w hps. If I'm wrong please explain how.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life]
#823629 - 02/12/17 03:39 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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There's no way that CFL will perform as well as the HPS. I would love to see a side by side comparison with it.
CFL's put out more heat per watt than a HID light, they also don't have nice air cooled hoods to help deal with said heat. They don't have the same amount of lumens per watt that an HPS, CMH, or DE would have. If they were comparable, why isnt every single commercial grow operation using them? It's an easy question, there is no comparison.
I'm trying to figure out how you got the notion that CFL's are on par.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#823632 - 02/12/17 03:57 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Other forums. They all said actual wattage is what matters. Cfls put out less heat btw. I run one all the time... for my aloe plant. I can touch that bulb bare handed and not get burned. It pull 250w you can't touch a 250w hps and not get a burn. RIU.com has tons of side by side grows that average out to the same weight per wattage. ICMag.com also has side by side grows where there is minimal differences in yield. Most people have problems with cfl because they don't put the light close enough. Those t5 systems grow great and there cfls.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life] 1
#823633 - 02/12/17 04:11 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Watt for watt they do put out more heat. That's a fact man. I have a T5 bank, and it puts out a ton of heat, may as well just run a MH of the same and get a shit load more lumens for the amount of electricity I'm using.
They're great for cloning or using them for my mothers, but there's no way I'll use them to Flower.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life] 2
#823635 - 02/12/17 04:31 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bastard4life said: Other forums. They all said actual wattage is what matters. Cfls put out less heat btw. I run one all the time... for my aloe plant. I can touch that bulb bare handed and not get burned. It pull 250w you can't touch a 250w hps and not get a burn. RIU.com has tons of side by side grows that average out to the same weight per wattage. ICMag.com also has side by side grows where there is minimal differences in yield. Most people have problems with cfl because they don't put the light close enough. Those t5 systems grow great and there cfls.
Your 100% wrong on the cfl lights.
Take 250watts of HID light and try and find a 250watt cfl light that is nearly as bright. You can't if the light isn't as bright why is that? CFL lights waste a ton more energy then HID lights simple as that. In order to get as bright as 250watts of HID light you need over 1200watts of cfl light.
So in order to compare the lights you can't go with like wattages. So yeah a 250watts of HID is hotter then 250watts of cfl light but it's also 10 times as bright. So in a small space you can use a 75watt HID light and get the results of a 250watt cfl light.
So yes cfl lights are much hotter to use if you want the same amount of light the HID lights put out cause you have to run a ton more of them for the same results.
CFL bulbs do run hotter but can be touched cause they spread the heat along with the light output over the entire surface of the bulb the main reason they have such crap penetration.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Magash]
#823639 - 02/12/17 06:27 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well thanks for setting me straight. I was given bad info. But I figure this forum knows better anyways.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life]
#823642 - 02/12/17 07:04 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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bastard4life said: Well thanks for setting me straight. I was given bad info. But I figure this forum knows better anyways.
Yessir, Growery FTW
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
#823644 - 02/12/17 07:13 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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Data love your avatar!!!
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: bastard4life] 2
#823648 - 02/12/17 07:22 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wish I could feel love...or anything for that matter.
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Re: Whats better: Hydro with CFLs or Soil with HPS? [Re: Data]
#823651 - 02/12/17 07:28 PM (7 years, 9 months ago) |
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