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Magash said:
One chemical bonding to another isn't stressing the plant. Not every reaction such as a loss of color in a plant and a slow down in growth are results of stress. Both plants use the same hormone to signal flowering just the female has a added hormone that tells it to make the flowers female. The sts or cs bonds to that hormone and makes it unusable to the plant.

Female flowers that are caused by stress are generaly gonna be hermmie as in the flowers and the seeds coming from them. There is a major difference between plants that are stressed into giving male flowers and those that are treated to do it.


If you get the ppm right for your strain when using cs or sts you will notice no color change or slowdown in growth. I use to do that but it's a pain in the ass so I use a general mix not that is on the stronger side. As long as the percentage rate of hermies in my feminized seeds stays the same as regular seeds I'm fine with it.

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i can see that for sure, the ones i make generally dont throw nanners unless stressed in abnormal conditions specifically over ripening, but i can more than see why that could be passed on, just like using ones that throw nanners before they over ripen is something that *could* be passed on.

i just dont like losing all that bud and weve had pretty good results so far as were choosy over the clones we use pollen from, and i dont want to consume any of the chemicals used to do it. well aware that cs becomes a new chemical when it binds to copper, but id still prefer to avoid something that can pass through blood brain barriers and whatnot. and the reason over ripening them is a good way is because the stop uptaking the metals they use to produce flowering hormones that late into flower because they cant metabolise it, and the flower begins to revert towards intersexual flower production as a result, complete lack of those hormones means production of male flowers, is just what happens when the right metals and minerals for female flower production are no linger present in a living sexually mature plant, and lockout of these metals and minerals late in flower it 100% to be expected for any plant if taken long enough past "perfect" as i am sure you are already fully aware. But its the EXACT same biological process that introducing CS stimulates, just at a much slower rate. resulting in only a couple bananas instead of a plant filled with them. using a chemical to stimulate that process doesn't somehow make it different.

we generally just use male pollen then weed the males from the seed as we grow them, thats how the mother of the lanky and the outdoor came along lol. were non fem seed. but when we have done tis our results were fantastic, we wouldn't sell any of the seed made this way bulk, its pretty much for our own grows, but if done right it works fine. Is just a very poor choice for making fem seeds in bulk. and even if using CS isn't technically  stress hermie, it's mimicking whats going on in the biology of them on a micro scale.... semantics aside imo thats still stress induced when your just mimicking the biology present in an over ripened plant. when you stress a plant into hermaphroditism that otherwise wouldn't have done it, you aren't somehow adding to or subtracting from the genome of the plant in any way introducing CS would or wouldn't. we're just dealing with chemical reactions and hormones on this level, not anything to do with the genome of the plant.

another quote from that thread in response to being asked how to make female pollen:

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coda (also a trusted cultivator) said:
Stress the plant out to produce male flowers on a female plant.  Only way to make fem seeds.

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not been here long, have no idea how these views stack up with one another "politically" here, ive just done it this way many times, as have my friends locally, never had issues, but assuming Coda thought about this for a bit before making the statement and was coming at it from a similar standpoint to me it was entirely accurate from my point of view on the subject.


If over ripening for bananas is stress induced, then so it CS..... if CS is NOT stress induced, than neither is over ripening....same exact biological process, just on separate scale of time and efficiency.


thanks for the link and the 13/11 info btw Stoneth! steered me towards quite a few interesting things to read and thoughts to pursue! and as always much love for stopping by my grow log! forgive me if , I come across as condescending, just sharing how Ive come to understand the subject.


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The queen's been putting on a few these days am quite pleased for what is now 125ish watts from a non-single source




seedlings taking off nicely one in the middle is getting quite hefty for a week old from seed.