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 Milktruck
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Registered: 06/13/16
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 Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow  [Re: Nevar44]
#815585 - 06/22/16 11:57 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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glad ive never had a bad enough bug problem to stop being a lazy grower xD.
although one winter my roomate brought a rose bush inside against my pleading and refused to let me treat it for spider mites and shit. and im sure my babies didnt appreciate all the dish soap misting.
Battled spider mites all winter that year. smoked a lot of lady bug shit.....
i will fight someone who tries to bring a rose bush anywhere near the inside of my house in winter xD
Cant wait for the real porn to start  , and mistakes along the way only make you a better grower!
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Nevar44]
#815618 - 06/23/16 01:20 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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^^^^This can happen, my Afghani queen seeds pop plants that take anywhere from 6 1/2 weeks to my lankies, which can sometimes take ten or more....usually the longer phenotypes end up being worth the wait 
Edited by Milktruck (06/23/16 01:20 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815626 - 06/23/16 08:48 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I still think it could be...these two plants came from the same cross. Both plants have the exacts same mom and dad...special queen x afghani...they dont even remotely look like the same strain, but seeds were identical and came out of the same bud on the same plant...single father pollen
Edited by Milktruck (06/23/16 08:49 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Nevar44]
#815640 - 06/24/16 12:03 AM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont think i misunderstood, was just saying that there can be a LOT of variance among phenotypes of the same strain, to the point that they might as well not even be considered the same strain...both of those are afghani queens, but when done they wont even be remotely alike in term of the final smoke. Lanky's usually a potent, heady sativa leaning hybrid, fatass is a knock you on your ass kushy indica,both have the exact same two parents, were even from the same pollenated bud on the mother plant. hence why i like the term "fatass" and "lanky", they are the two dominant genotypes of the cross with the fatass being dominant, there exist 4 or 5 fatass phenotypes, and 2 or 3 lankies in these beans. i keep them separated based on what part of the plant the seed came from just so i can be amused at the genetic quirkiness to this particular cross. Two separate genotypes from one cross isnt super common, especially with stableized homogenous parents.
i second the feed it longer if it hasnt frosted up as you expected, my fatass didnt frost nearly as well as it usually does this time because i fucked up the nutrient ratios when i mixed her soil in comparison to the lanky.
Few days ago i gave her a good dose of my roots organcics bloom and im already seeing increased resin production and calyx swelling. maybe my seeds will pull through yet 
at any rate, that's a plant i would turn into edibles or hash lol. I mean no offense, ive had WAY worse looking plants and still finished and smoked em xD.
not sure what to say about nutrient levels, i can never guage a plants color or texture with pics under HPS lighting lol
Edited by Milktruck (06/24/16 12:07 AM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Nevar44]
#815696 - 06/24/16 02:28 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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I actually hate foxtailing, that extra two hours of trimming and manacurig ain't worth the extre eighth or so running plantsthe size I do lol. It also tends to dry out to a crisp once cured up a lot easier which I don't like lol.
And as for flushing, when I was running GH in DWC I only flushed about five days...product had a clean burn and white ash, if your not running a soil everything takes like half the time lol.
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Milktruck
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Posts: 256
Loc: I can see a lot of trees
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815834 - 06/26/16 07:09 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lol, my strains are far from well bred, everything ive ran for the past year has been a product of spilling my entire ziplock of afghani pollen onto a single special queen three weeks into flower. Was probably the biggest "oh god what have I done?!" Moment ive ever had while growing.
But shit, im getting some DAMN good clone only phenotypes no one else has ever seen or smoked before, at this point im almost glad I fucked up that special queen xD. Some of the phenos have been danker than either of the parents could have ever been. (Thank you f1 hybrid vigor ) me and a couple buddies are the only living people to have ever sampled these phenotypes, from what I can find im the only one to ever cross these two genepools, the genotypes have been separate since at LEAST 1970 probably a LOT longer Considering one parent came from a columbian skunk hybrid thats been stable and homogenous for years, and the other was a pure afghani landrace. Afghani and skunk has always been a very popular cross, I just used two fairly uncommon genepools. My lanky queen pheno specifically kept the potency, yeild and overall asthetic of the special queen (skunk genotype) but the afghani characteristics densed up the nugs a bit and cut almost two weeks off the flower period  shes a SOLID 7-8 weeks tops. Special queen was 9 most of the time and the afghani was 6 1/2 to 7...USUALLY the fatass phenos sit pretty around 7 weeks flat.
And as far as im concerned, if your looking at plants producing flowers and trichomes, it could have been WAAAAAAY worse, you gotta a couple plants there that will make some excellent hash or edibles even if not a shit-ton lol. I myself drifted away from hydro and soiless mediums because I already have one job xD, dont want another, super soils= pretty much zero effort...just add water and watch grass grow my yeilds went from vegging four weeks with one or two plants, and 4 1/2-5 ounce yeilds to veggin six small ones for three weeks and 4-5 ounce yeilds. I cit a week off time, minimized all effort and time spent working on them, and yeild barely sufferd at all. Top nugs were smaller, but quality was just as good and sin e they were a bit smaller, I just had way MORE top nugs.
Edited by Milktruck (06/26/16 07:37 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815889 - 06/27/16 09:17 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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for future refrence all you need is about 10 watts of light on vegging plants at night to keep them from flowering, when i didnt used to have a veg box during flowering nights i would pull out seedlings and set them by a nightlight, they did great and held off from flowering. as long as you have light on em brighter than a full moon they will think its day time
trying to use extra n2 to prevent flower can cause massive stress hermie problems once you make the switch permanent, you have fair warning xD, and revegging tends to slightly damage yeild and end bud size ive noticed over the years, but for some strange reason can actually increase resin production and potency....so hmmmm 
obviously they need direct intense light during the 12 hours on or they will stretch like Dr. Fantastic
Edited by Milktruck (06/27/16 09:21 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#815896 - 06/27/16 10:45 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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if its brighter than a clear full moon night during their lower light period and they are getting at least 12 hours a day intense light they should stay in veg no problem so long as light exposure above full moon strength of any kind is present at leas 16 hours a day, as some strains like my fatass will flower even under 14/10.. wont stretch too bad that way either, but will be *slightly* lankier than say 18/6 or 20/4 of direct intense light, which id personally recommend over 24 hours anyway, plants go into flower quicker and stretch less at the 12/12 switch with less overall stress and hermie risk consistently that way. not to mention the amount of electricity you save over a year of growing that way lol. on 18/6 every 4 days youve made up an entire 24 hours worth of free light by contrast to 24 hours, over 4 weeks veg youve gained a free WEEK of lighting. over a years worth of veg you have saved 3 months worth of constant 24 hours lighting
what would running your veg setup on 24 hours for three months cost you? because thats what you save in a year of vegging plants 18/6 over 24 hours. and have happier less stressed plants in flower along with it
Edited by Milktruck (06/27/16 10:53 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#816001 - 06/28/16 10:10 PM (8 years, 9 months ago) |
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counter intuitively the closer your veg timer is to your flower timer the less they will stretch once you make the 12/12 flip, they will add just as many new nodes either way, that's based in genetics, what changes is just how close the nodes are together once the stretch starts. meaning changes the way they cola up at the end of branches, vegging 18/6 before the flip to flower lets my plants cola up just a little better over the same clones 20/4 or 24 hours
plants under 24 or 20/4 before the flower flip WILL be less stretchy than under 18/6 (but only while in veg), but will stretch MORE after the 12/12 switch by contrast to its original state in veg, than the 18/6 will....can be a bit confusing/tricky lol
Edited by Milktruck (06/28/16 10:12 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#816098 - 06/30/16 12:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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nice, coulda been way worse, you could have had my fatass that stopped fattening a few days ago that cut down and am not even going to bother showing pics of, i dried it in the overn at 120 and made ISO that im smoking right now.
yea, was that bad, i fucked her mix just as bad as i Nailed the lankies mix
was 32 grams before the oven trimmed, was 7.5 after lolololol, got 0.6 in hash.
i needed to remix and get another fatass clone in to replace her anyway, this one should have been double that size with two weeks left.
Those trimmed nugs though, looks like some more than acceptable smoke, id be happy to pack a bowl of that. The beast in the last pic looks like she should help cover the loss though ny buds dont usually get much fatter than those tbh, trich count may be a little less than you hoped but ill bet you anything those nugs will still get you good and medicated.
Edited by Milktruck (06/30/16 12:16 AM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#816130 - 06/30/16 01:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh man, if you consider yourself a lightwiehft can wait to see you try frsh out the cure, home grown UN keifed nugs xD. send ya to the moon lololol, wish i could still consider myself a lightweight but have smoked most days for almost a decade now lol, when i cut i usually take a couple week T break during the dry and cure though just so i can get a feel for the overall quality and buzz of what i end up with.
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Milktruck
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Registered: 06/13/16
Posts: 256
Loc: I can see a lot of trees
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#816323 - 07/02/16 11:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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would smoke those nugs for sure, wouldn't mind that candy either 
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Milktruck
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Loc: I can see a lot of trees
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#816444 - 07/04/16 08:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Could always be worse...no one has a perfect run every times...even the best botch entire batches every now and then,can't wait to watch the next grow log
Edited by Milktruck (07/05/16 09:46 AM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#816683 - 07/09/16 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Baron_Samedi said:
 
OK so at least the oil/hash weight is in I forgot to take wet weights but off the sick plant trimmings I got 1.1g and from the main I got 5.7g most of that plant went to oil aside from the nugs curing total harvest is 6.8g hash/oil which is awesome considering the potency and high is great! at the moment total cost vs production comes to about $170 per gram lol but I made a fuck ton of candies and my community of patients loved em even though it's hot as balls so they got all melty but I don't think anyone was above licking a baggie clean...
not to shabby at all  would be pleased to be smokin those oils any day.
turned out a lot nicer than my lazy Fatass iso washes
only pulled about one gram (dnt know for sure, scraped it up out the dish as i smoked it) of unfiltered oils and resins on a long wash from that pip squeak lol, but thats not bad considering she was pulled 25 days early since i fucked her mix this round xD...she yielded a WHOPPING 4.5 g's dried of shitty wispy premie bud.
hash was dank as fuck though the concentrates from premie buds can be super potent, heady, and damn near psychedelic compared to ripe nug concentrates where you just get good and stoned for a couple hours. too bad early bud itself is really only worth making hash or edibles with. wish you could catch that premie hash BUZZ from the premie buds without the headache xD
Edited by Milktruck (07/09/16 01:24 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Chemical Addiction]
#817385 - 07/26/16 04:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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when i dry i go until the entire bud is CRISPY dry, and the stems between the nugs snap with a pop, but the stem inside the bud is still a little flexible.
as you cure up this little bit of moisture left in the stem will spread back out evenly through the neg leaving a nice, soft, pungent smelling, dry enough to smoke, and no longer crispy dry nug.
Humidity here was between 75-85% for almost the last month, been battling light signs of PM on my outdoor queen but didn't have any issues drying or starting the curing process on my lanky queen.
If you ever over dry buds TOO MUCH before the cure, you can actually wet your finger with purified water, and rub this around the rim of a jar already filled with over dried nugs, pop on the lid, and set the jar in WARM DIRECT sunlight for NO MORE THAN 5-6 MINUTES.
Let this sit for about 6 hours after that in warm darkness, NO LONGER THAN 6 hours, then burp that a couple times and go on curing like normal.
if your humidity indoors isnt manageable and you dont have a hygrometer (i have never used one tbh) then id recommend cutting your nugs off the main stems and drying them on a screen with similar airflow to the way you would if you just hung them up. This helps drying when it's humid a LOT more than you would think without damaging the terpenes, or having to fork out a small wad for a dehumidifier.
Although just getting a dehumidifier is a lot easier and keep in mind some genetics wont begin to smell :right" for sometimes even up to 2 weeks in cure, if you dried it correctly it will NOT smell like hay or dirt before the cure abut after drying, it WILL however smell VERY similar to sliced cucumbers, if you are familiar with that smell, is quite specific, but still recognizeable as the smell of cannabis resin, and a hell of a lot more pleasant than that dried-to-quick "hay" smell, some genetics ive had however have smelled like cured nugs no matter how i dired them, even in the oven, but those are FEW and far between lol. (Kera Seeds White Thunder was one, smelled incredible, smoked incredible, tasted incredible, even freshly dried completely un cured, was VERY impressive, however those seeds were TERRIBLE on yields and hermied like fucking crazy )
not saying what you had wasnt mold, just rambling on about the curing process really lol, although i have had a couple indica dominant plants that cured up and smelled like a straight up dirty wet basement, smooth even burn, piney taste, no sign of molds or PM, but the bag still smells like a dirty basement thats been wet for a year... they just smelled like that for whatever reason, very mold like, but having molded buds before it was not the same smell, but very similar, also not implying this is your issue, just throwing things out there from experience.
Edited by Milktruck (07/26/16 05:11 PM)
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Milktruck
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Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#818173 - 08/15/16 03:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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im a cigarette smoker, my sniffer hasnt worked right in over a decade
it works, just not very well lol, but if i walk in the house and my roommate is cooking a grilled cheese or something, ill still know immediately..
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Milktruck
I am your brain on drugs
Registered: 06/13/16
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Loc: I can see a lot of trees
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 Re: 400w HID First Time Indoor Soil Grow White Widow [Re: Baron_Samedi]
#821761 - 12/07/16 02:28 PM (8 years, 3 months ago) |
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still alive?
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