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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808275 - 03/18/16 12:42 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Well hey at least half way through, uv got some trich to make butter with lol

These herms were nasty man. Ten days into flower and every branch had two or three balls... bs..





Thats because they were piss poor gen. :smokerage:

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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #808312 - 03/18/16 09:16 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)



Gonna start using the sugaree or the sour dee here in a few days. U start it on week four.

Can't fucking decide which one to use cause I dunno which strain it is.

The lavendar kush, we'll it looks like to me... on the LK u might wanna use both...

Sugaree is for ur sweeter terps

Sour dee is for ur skunky terps if u will..

I'm also thinking about adding some raw humic acids, amino acids, maybe yucca, and b vitamins... which one to choose when ur tight on funds hmmmm....


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808340 - 03/19/16 03:17 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

mmmmm frosted :snow:  :waitingpatiently:


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808344 - 03/19/16 06:01 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Hell yeah, looking good man

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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Grit]
    #808352 - 03/19/16 04:51 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Oh man I love you guys.

Hey do me a favor. Just use nutrients on one of the plants and tell me the difference in growth.
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Sugaree is for ur sweeter terps

Sour dee is for ur skunky terps if u will..

I'm also thinking about adding some raw humic acids, amino acids, maybe yucca, and b vitamins... which one to choose when ur tight on funds hmmmm....




All the same shit with different fancy names


Nothing but nutrients now and silica when it gets hot.(stuff works killer for plants that are stressing) There was some stuff called VHO that was outstanding on vegging plants. Made them branch without topping them but that stuff was discontinued. I'm so far in the desert and I got yucca trees in my yard I'll send ya all you can handle.

All you guys end up doing is adding so much shit to the plants that it never gets used by the plant with just a week or two of flush and you end up with weed that burns with black ash instead of white. (dead giveaway that there were still nutrients and crap in the plant) and not nearly the taste and smell you wanted when you added that crap to make the taste and smell better. :freewilly:  :derdance:


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Magash]
    #808354 - 03/19/16 05:07 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Lol good call.

I only wanna use humic acid cause I'm using ro water. I don't think my nutes has any humic acid in it. When I looked I couldn't tell.

The yucca I'd buy last.

All of these additives would be used minimally. If used properly they won't accumulate in the plant is my understanding only when over applied.

I watched that video and it made some sense.

Maybe I'll wait until I'm running all the same clone and do side by side as u suggest mag.

My understanding is, all nutes aren't the same. Some have more heavy metals in them.

Some also are a different form of that particular element. Nitrate nitrogen makes the plant exert energy to uptake that form of nitrogen.

Ammonium nitrogen doesn't make the plant exert energy to consume it..

That's what I understood Harley was saying..

I'm confused at the msg ur trying to send mag lol..?? Crazy ass lol jk

With the sugaree, and sour dee

Sugar rey is specially formulated to target specific fruity terps and accent them.

Sour dee is specially formulated for skunky diesel strains

If u were to use sugaree on ur sour d plants.. they wouldn't come out smelling near as funky as they would if u used the sour dee on those sour dee plants...

That's how cutting edge is.. I'm not sure the science behind it. They're cool guys tho one could call em up and question them all day


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808355 - 03/19/16 05:10 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Ima be pissed if my shit burns black lol

I've been backing up on the nutes actually for fear of herb that doesn't smoke right. Ima picky mother fucker.

If it burns black I won't smoke it, I'll make butter and buy some good shit. And use way less nutes next time lmao

I'm in it to have to best of the best, just like Harley said. I'm not satisfied w average or knowing enough or it being good enough. It could always be better


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808411 - 03/21/16 09:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey mag is this too Farr fetched..??

So if done right, u only give the plant exactly what it needs.. no more

Mayyybe a hair more than it needs simply to cause a little stress to up the medicinal quality ect..

Soo, could u kinda Def not exactly..  but kinda get a rough idea of how much you are over feeding by measuring your run off water.. on days of giving it plain water in a drain to waste situation?

I realize some of the cations are caught in the soil medium also so that would skew things somewhat I'm guessing

Sound reasonable at all??

And I mean throughout flower, not just during flushing if u flush


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808416 - 03/21/16 11:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So if done right, u only give the plant exactly what it needs.. no more




What more is there to give it then what it needs? Unless your growing some kind of Trump strain. Remember nutrients are like food to us. Just cause you can eat way more then you need doesn't mean it's good for ya. :stoned::crazy2::tongue:


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Mayyybe a hair more than it needs simply to cause a little stress to up the medicinal quality ect..





Then I'm gonna be a good boy for Santa and the Tooth Fairy cause they are just as real as that stressing your plants to make them better stuff.


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but kinda get a rough idea of how much you are over feeding by measuring your run off water.. on days of giving it plain water in a drain to waste situation?





I would guess that you could but I've never done a drain to waste grow and I  hate to comment when I haven't done it.


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I realize some of the cations are caught in the soil medium also so that would skew things somewhat I'm guessing

Sound reasonable at all??





Yeah it sounds reasonable. You know you can get a soil test kit at home depot for a few bucks and get a more accurate idea of whats in the soil nutrient wise.


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And I mean throughout flower, not just during flushing if u flush




Yes I flush.



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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Magash]
    #808419 - 03/21/16 11:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno mag.. me personally.. that stressing the plant to increase metabolites makes soo much sense??

Tch if I'm not mistaken, along w the terpenes in a plant.. are actually plant metabolites..

Just like the yellow fluid mushrooms excrete when a competitor is present..

The metabolites of mushrooms are harvested in large amounts and experimented with to create new medicines... 70 percent of pharmaceuticals are derived from fungi..

We share a larger percent of similar dna to fungi, than we do plants.. so it makes sense that the fungal metabolites which function as the mushrooms external immune system essentially.. is beneficial to us..

Plants we share similar dna w also. Just not as much as fungi..

The metabolites of a plant, form it's immune system also. Part of its immune system at least.. so stressing it to increase metabolite production in theory would make hella sense to me...

To do it right tho, u would have to be growing ur shit near perfect to begin.. then once it's perfect and the plant has JUST what it needs no more... then u add a hair extra to cause a little stress and u will see increased metabolite production

I've never done this just makes sense to me...

I wasn't asking if u flush was just trying to be clear is all :smile: I assume most here do flush. I've never heard of not flushing until that Harley video

Makes sense tho. If ur giving the plants ONLY what they need. U should have zero need to flush.. wouldn't that be a dream :smile:)


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808466 - 03/21/16 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The only stress I think helps is a wet-drought cycle, which is hardly stress. It's like searching for a meal, you will travel farther when you can't get an easy meal. Root growth is improved.


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Inverted]
    #808492 - 03/21/16 09:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

well apparently I was good to the Easter bunny cause I'm learning shit tons from this thread alone and alot of good points to research on my own!
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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Baron_Samedi]
    #808496 - 03/21/16 09:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In my mind, a dry spell would be the worst way possible to stress a plant

I'd try beating it everyday before I tried intentionally giving a dry spell lpl

I'm not talking root growth. In talking metabolite production. Entirely diff stories here..


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Baron_Samedi]
    #808497 - 03/21/16 09:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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well apparently I was good to the Easter bunny cause I'm learning shit tons from this thread alone and alot of good points to research on my own!
thanks guys!




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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808498 - 03/21/16 10:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think you're over thinking it. I didn't say dry spell.


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Inverted]
    #808500 - 03/22/16 12:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think you're over thinking it. I didn't say dry spell.





Lmao, to that I say, ur not thinking enough.

I love those reactions lol.... common statement made by someone lacking the comprehension of the current topic. It's all good won't be the last time I hear that lol.. but u know I'm 26 and happen to realize a lot of shit other people of all ages do not notice. We will see where life gets me aye

I could easily rationalize to you right now, why stressing the plant through lack of water would be a bad choice.

However, I'm on a touch screen phone. It's a pain in my ass. And a waste of my time.

Ohhh what about hydro lol. Boom end of discussion basically lol... cause in hydro the plants don't get dry ever.

Now, can we have a real conversation please????

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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Nevar44]
    #808504 - 03/22/16 05:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As far as hydro, take an ebb n flow system for example. The roots do get period of no water. Roots NEED oxygen man. Or look at an aeroflo system, the water is highly aerated. Any hydro system will have some form of aeration, so the roots can breathe, the roots can't  just sit in stagnant water, they will drown.

Inverted is 100% correct. When the medium dries up a little, the roots start stretching and growing searching for food/water. That's good for the plant, because if roots sit in a saturated medium, you will end up with root rot, they need to breathe. It's not stressing the plant to let medium dry a little bit.

You really don't want to stress your plant, keep them happy. You'll end up with hermies and poor performance/weird growth if you stress the plant too hard.

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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Grit]
    #808506 - 03/22/16 05:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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As far as hydro, take an ebb n flow system for example. The roots do get period of no water. Roots NEED oxygen man. Or look at an aeroflo system, the water is highly aerated. Any hydro system will have some form of aeration, so the roots can breathe, the roots can't  just sit in stagnant water, they will drown.

Inverted is 100% correct. When the medium dries up a little, the roots start stretching and growing searching for food/water. That's good for the plant, because if roots sit in a saturated medium, you will end up with root rot, they need to breathe. It's not stressing the plant to let medium dry a little bit.

You really don't want to stress your plant, keep them happy. You'll end up with hermies and poor performance/weird growth if you stress the plant too hard.




Grit, you telling the truth man!

And here are some pics of my cloner I told you about they got roots now! Water only and air!


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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #808507 - 03/22/16 05:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good looking white healthy roots too, I love root porn! :thumbup:

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Re: Indoor soil seed grow/ !Newb! /Start to Finish/ Fireog, 9lb hammer, OGGDP [Re: Grit]
    #808512 - 03/22/16 08:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

U guys are making irrelevant points.

None of u truly understand what I'm talking about w the metabolites...

Yeah. Duh. Roots need air. Yeah duh. Roots grow when they need water.

All completely irrelevant to what I was talking about.

Just forget it lmao :rolleyes:


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