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Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

#752483 - 10/12/14 05:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Hey Everybody,

So I am growing some Blue Dream in a 4x4 tent under 1200 watts of light. I am having some issues and have no idea why. First here are the plants a few days before switching to flowering.

Now the plants have been flowering for a little over 2 weeks. The bottom leaves are dropping off and look a bit yellow.

Here is a pic of a leaf that pulled off very very easily from the bottom of the plant. Is this some kind of deficiency or is this normal? This happens to me everytime I switch to flower and im not exactly sure why.

Here is a picture of a leaf that I have absolutely no idea what the issue is here. Its not only the only plant that has this problem its also only one branch of this one plant. Any ideas what this is? Only happening at the tops.

Here are two more pics of my garden as it is now. Please let me know if anybody has any info or advice, it would be greatly appreciated.

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Zombi3
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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752489 - 10/12/14 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I saw some of this on my last plants about week 3-4 of flower. I first thought it was nutrient toxicity to be honest because some of the leaves falling off looked burned. But I ended up figuring out it was a lack of nitrogen since I had switched to flower nutes, I added a little more nitrogen to my fertilizer mix and also upped the amount of water on each feed by 30%. Im growing in potted soiless mixes by the way.

After about 5-7 days I noticed the leaves stopped falling off after I did this. I dont know if this is exactly whats happening with you though. What is your nutrient mix and how often are you feeding/watering?

Also remember that some leaf drop is natural in flowering stage to a degree. I have seen that weird bleaching from time to time, not sure what it is.

Plants look good otherwise :thumbup:

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752499 - 10/12/14 05:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for the reply buddy. Yeah that weird bleaching is only happening on one branch of one plant. Pretty odd...

Anyway I am feeding twice and then regular water once. I am using GH nutes and these are hempy buckets. I switched to flowering but still kept feeding Veg nutes for a while. About a week ago I watered with regular water and then started transition feeding as suggested by the nute schedule for GH.

I am thinking that it was Nitrogen so I added GH Grow in a higher dose this time around which will hopefully help.

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752500 - 10/12/14 05:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Soil Growers:
1. Are you growing from seed or clones?
2. How old are your plants?
3. How tall are your plants?
4. What size containers are they planted in?
5. What is your soil mix?
6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use and how much you give per watering?
7. What is the pH of your water?
8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio?
9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything?
10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights")
11. How close are your lights to the plants?
12. What size is your grow space in square feet?
13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space?
14. What is the pH of the soil?
15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space?
16. How much experience do you have growing?

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Zombi3
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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752507 - 10/12/14 06:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Frizzleman said:
I am thinking that it was Nitrogen so I added GH Grow in a higher dose this time around which will hopefully help.

Keep us posted, let us know if this works :thumbup:

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Youre watering how many times a week total usually?

Take a look at Webster10's post and fill out the info for us! Will help a lot :toast:

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752511 - 10/12/14 06:09 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This is a hempy grow but here are my answers in green

1. Are you growing from seed or clones? Seed

2. How old are your plants? About a month and a half - 2 months

3. How tall are your plants? 32 inches

4. What size containers are they planted in? 5 Gallon Buckets

5. What is your soil mix? Hempy 75% perlite 25% Vermiculite

6. How often do you water and what type of water do you use and how much you give per watering? Tap Water, Until runoff bottom of bucket

7. What is the pH of your water? 5.8, though I forgot to PH my last water feeding that didnt have nutes in it.

8. What kind of fertilizer do you use and what is its NPK ratio? I am using the GH line, here the actual feeding schedule that I scanned in. I fed veg nutes the first week of flowering, then regular 24 hour tap water (forgot to ph adjust) and now im in transition and just filled my reservoir with bloom nutes

9. Do you foliar feed or spray your plants with anything? No

10. What kind of lights do you use and how many watts combined? (HPS, MH, fluorescent, halogen, incandescent "plant lights") 2 600W HPS

11. How close are your lights to the plants? 17 inches from most tops

12. What size is your grow space in square feet? About 16 SF, 9 plants

13. What is the temperature and humidity in your grow space? I dont have anything to measure humidity, Temps stay around 75 when lights are on. They are cooled with a Vortech inline fan attached to a carbon filter.

14. What is the pH of the soil? Hempy

15. Have you noticed any insect activity in your grow space? I saw a dead spider in there, probably because it starved because I did not see any other bugs. lol

16. How much experience do you have growing? I have been growing for about 4 years now. I have always had this issue where my lower leaves start to be really easy to pull off. I figured it was normal but now im thinking maybe its because I always switched to bloom to fast causing a nitrogen deficiency.

Here is a pic of my feeding schedule.

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752513 - 10/12/14 06:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I need to water 2-3 times a week. They are drinking an assload of water lol

I am kind of at a crossroads here, do you think I should flush them out with tap water or feed the GH Grow nutes to add nitrogen? I could have salt buildup that is blocking nitrogen for all I know, but if I flush and dont feed Nitrogen then I might make the problem worse.

Not sure what the best course of action is. Maybe flush and then lightly feed with only GH Grow?

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752515 - 10/12/14 06:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, how Much light are said leaves getting? If it's the lowest ones and they aren't getting much light, they are going to do this naturally. And by the looks of how dense your canopy is, I'd say this is your issue, which isn't am issue

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Zombi3
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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752520 - 10/12/14 06:21 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wouldnt flush. That may stress them plus your losing nutrients in the mean time. I would up the Nitrogen and maybe water a tad more frequently if you think it wont be too much for them.

Do you know what your EC in your water is usually?

On average how much water would you say they get per watering? A 5 gallon Im assuming it takes 2-3 litres before you see runoff?

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Hawksresurrection said:
Okay, how Much light are said leaves getting? If it's the lowest ones and they aren't getting much light, they are going to do this naturally. And by the looks of how dense your canopy is, I'd say this is your issue, which isn't am issue

I did notice less leaf drop on the plants I was able to open up so they got more light to the lower leaves. But I had also upped watering and added nitrogen so I wasnt really sure if it was the extra light penetration or not.

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752522 - 10/12/14 06:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

The lower leaves are getting pretty much no light at all. I had thought that maybe they were dropping off because of that because the canopy is really thick, and its pretty damn shady at the bottom. I wont flush them but ill up the Nitrogen a tad just in case that is what is going on. I will let you guys know how that goes.

Thank you for all of the help. It is always appreciated.

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752523 - 10/12/14 06:25 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I lolly pop my plants in most cases to avoid wasting energy on leaves that arent getting light. Yours may be too short to be worth trying that technique though.

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#752532 - 10/12/14 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I am going to water them now and ill take a picture of the bottom of the plants which ill post in a little while

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752538 - 10/12/14 06:50 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Hawksresurrection

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752545 - 10/12/14 06:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Zombi3 said:
I lolly pop my plants in most cases to avoid wasting energy on leaves that arent getting light. Yours may be too short to be worth trying that technique though.

There is no "wasted"energy on the leaves. They hold nutrients in them, the plant will draw off these suited nutrients as needed. Leave them on

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752556 - 10/12/14 07:02 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I wondered that. I take them off also because I had assumed the plant would spend energy trying to save them rather than using stored energy and dropping them. I also lollipop because I dont like the lanky little shit at the bottom and it helps with air flow in my tent :thumbup:

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Re: Deficiencies During Flower. Advice Needed

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#752609 - 10/12/14 08:01 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Here are the pics that show the bottom of the plants. Obviously I did a lot of trimming down there over the last 2 weeks.

Anyway I am pretty confident that the one part of the plant is just light bleached for some reason, I raised the lights in case they are the culprit.

I also added a little bit of Nitrogen to my feeding, so its either I was low in Nitrogen or just not enough light was getting down to those lower leaves.

I will be continuing this grow to harvest as a journal. Link below.

http://www.growery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/752485

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#752610 - 10/12/14 08:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

They all look really good. I wouldn't worry about it too much unless it starts spreading around everywhere.

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#752666 - 10/12/14 09:55 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Good stuff, thanks

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