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 Magash
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 Re: Grow room from scratch  [Re: webster10]
#750164 - 09/28/14 01:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Plywood, plastic liner, saw horses, dixie cups, lava rock.
   
Then there is this setup
     
     
 
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 webster10
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750189 - 09/28/14 11:30 AM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Here are some pictures of the space I have. Exactly 69"W x 72"L x 73"H
For the clone area:
Thinking of basically doing an SGFC with the cuttings inside in rockwool with a 54W t5. Could I support 11 clones with 54 watts?
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750218 - 09/28/14 07:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those ballasts are gonna run hot as hell.
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And any recommendations on what brand of hood should I use?
I can't tell ya. I'm not up on what's out there. I've been using the same sun system hoods for the last 10 years. (Actually closer to 15)
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How with holes in the bottom of the trailer would it remain smell proof?
With the fans on air should be going into the grow space not out.
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you're saying that I should use one of those FAE sites on the trailer, pull in air through that(it already has a screen for bugs), and duct that air up to the lights to cool them off.
Use one that exists or make your own.
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I also need a space where I will pull air out and install a carbon filter at this exhaust site?
Install it anyplace you want as long as the air goes threw it before leaving the grow space.
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Also how would I pull the air through to both the mh and hps if there is a wall dividing them?
Can't help ya there I use a fan for each space. Actually I have a fan for each light.
 
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Can I stick my SGFC clone box right in with the moms(I'll be using an 85watt CFL 5000k for clones) and keep them on the same light schedule?
Yup
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Mag I really want to thank you for all this information. This project could not be possible without you
Thanks for the comment. Just doing my job. 
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webster10
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750354 - 09/29/14 06:43 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got some more stuff for you to look at. I drew up a diagram of how in my mind this thing is going to be built.
Also here is a list of supplies I'll be buying.
• AcuRite Indoor Humidity Monitor…….$10.00
• Hydroton 10 pounds…….$21.14
• Grodan 1.5” Rockwool (98 cubes)…….$15.77
• Plusrite 2010 LU400 400W HPS Bulb 2000k....$9.33
• Plusrite 400W HPS Ballast….$50.56
• Plusrite 150W MH 4200k Mogul Base…..$10.05
• PLT150W MH Ballast….$42.42
• GCP 85W CFL 5000k…..$18.03
• (2) Titan Controls Analog Timer 120V….$19.88
• (2) Titan Controls Analog Timer 240V….$29.26
• (2) UltraGrow air cooled 6 inch hood…..$120.38
• Garden Safe rooting hormone…..$7.98
• VenTech 6” Ducting 25 feet…..$17.75
• Reflective Mylar (48” x 50’)…..$27.85
• VenTech 4” Inline fan + Carbon Filter……$96.95
• Coco Coir Kempf 5KG……$15.21
• (2) Honeywell TurboForce Fan……..$15.99
• Ona Pro Gel 1 quart……$20.55
• (3) Cooler Master Rifle Bearing 80mm fan…..$22.50
• EcoPlus 185 submersible pump 185gph….$14.55
And of course, some questions 
1. Will the pump (185gph) be strong enough to push the water all the way through?
2. Can I set up the ballasts in the same space that I'm growing in?
3. If there is anything that'd make this set up better or any tips you'd like to throw in, go ahead. 
About to go out and start gathering up everything on the list soon. Should be beginning to build this weekend.
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#750489 - 09/30/14 04:37 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well depends on the size of the fan but it will only take one.
This fan is way bigger then what you need but the mounting is the same. These fan can be found at most home depots and such for a fairly cheap price. I used one of these for my first grow room which was 30ft long 22 ft wide and 8ft high.
One can pull air threw the lights and one can empty the space. Mount one on the wall blowing into the buffer room.
They will also move air more efficiently then the inline fan in the link.
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750510 - 09/30/14 06:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'm looking for fans like that on homedepot.com but not seeing any. Also the cheapest centrifugal(squirrel cage) fan they have is over $100+
Do you think I'll be able to get by with the inline in that link?
I'm thinking I should just replace the circled areas in this pic and put one of the inlines I linked in each of these locations. Pretend that the right edge of the paper is the wall in between the flower and buffer room(in reality the buffer room will be in front of the flower room not beside it). I will pull in air with the first fan and continue pulling it through with the second and also pushing it into the buffer room with the second where my carbon filter will take care of all of the smell. Now this non-smelly air can passively drift out through the screened hole in the wall of the buffer room into the empty space and out of the 2nd FAE site.
Thoughts or concerns?
EDIT: I'll try to draw up another updated draft of the diagram tomorrow.
Edited by webster10 (09/30/14 06:20 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750629 - 10/01/14 03:47 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Magash, I drew up what I think will be the final draft of the space.
View of flower and veg room facing north:
View of the rest of the exhaust plan facing east:
It looks kind of weird and hard to understand when drawn so I'll explain it to you.
I'm pulling in air through the eastern wall into the veg room and then into the flower room. I'll only have one fan in the air ducts and it will be placed in between both lights so it can pull air onto the first light and push light onto the second light. (My only concern with this is if the fan isn't strong enough to pull in air from that far away.)
The air, now having been pushed into the flower room, will be exhausted by another fan that is mounted to the southern wall that is pulling air out of the flower room and pushing it into the buffer room. I didn't duct the second fan to the light because I want it to pull air through the room to give the flowering plants some FAE before it's sucked into the buffer room.
Then as you can see, the ballasts will get some air from the exhaust and then it will be sucked up by the carbon filter. I'll also be putting a dish of ona gel in each room for extra smell prevention.
Thoughts? Concerns?
Edited by webster10 (10/01/14 03:48 PM)
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: Magash]
#750784 - 10/02/14 06:33 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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Would I have to vent air up to the lights if I decide to run LEDs?
Or could I just set the 1st fan on the ground right next to the first FAE site, get rid of the venting completely and have the 2nd fan remain in the same location?
I'd be getting rid of vents and moving the first fan to the circled area to pull in air
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Magash
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Re: Grow room from scratch [Re: webster10]
#751050 - 10/04/14 05:19 PM (10 years, 6 months ago) |
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webster10 said:
Will these rocks (river pebbles)
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-River-Pebbles-54250V/100558618
Work instead of using hydroton?
No, but I know something that will work just as well as hydroton and is only 5 bucks a bag.
This grow is from when I was poor and you had to drive a hundred miles to get to a hydro store. The cups are filled with lava rock. The red and black stuff used in front yards. (I use to buy both and mix em cause it looked cool). The stuff is heavier then hydroton and needs to be rinsed really well but it works just as well and is one hell of a lot cheaper.
In fact they didn't have these at the time and I would have been all over them
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Margo-Garden-Products-20-lb-Black-Lava-Pebbles-NL20-1030/204984692
this is what I used
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Vigoro-0-5-cu-ft-Canyon-Red-Rock-100032407/100599778
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