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Man, they're highly valuable on one hand too though if you should encounter them.

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For what? If your talking feminized seeds you don't use those nanners.

That's how Soma makes his fems and they always go hermie and throw enough nanners to draw a pack of monkeys.

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Only plants that are stressed very badly give herm problems in the future generations.

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  its a biological response for survival that occurs in nature though

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Absolutely true. The thing is that it also purposely throws a ton of hermies in order to prevent the plant from having the same problem from whatever environmental factor caused it.

and last how is the plant going to continue the next generation if all the seeds are female? There would have to be hermies in order to make up for there not being any males that caused the for the hermies flowers in the first place. So if what you say is true and fems made from old flowers reliable then the  plant would be making itself extinct on the next generation. 

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and doesn't even produce female pollen sacks , "nanners" unless it gets light leaks or other stressers

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This is exactly what I can't let happen. That's why the plants are stressed tested. When one of the plants show male flowers under any kind of stress out she goes. To be truthful with you even plants that are used to make regular seeds should be stressed tested.

I like chatting with you

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1176 Watts of CFL's under Flower at once

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OMG how stupid is this. CFL lights for one are not cooler then HID lights. With less then 350watts of hid he could be getting the same amount of light he's getting with 1176 of cfl light. Ahhhhh...I'll save this for another day.


Now that striping on your leaves I've only seen a few times and it was caused (in my case) by some disease that was caused by plant pests. Revive works well for fixing plants.



Now training the plant the way you did is cool but with a plant that small you're gonna have a bunch of tiny little buds. Try (if you're bored and want more smoke) to do a larger amount of untopped plants in one space. (it worked for me anyway)
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Magash, although I think CFLs suck too, you need to consider how easy they are to cool regardless of their effeciency, the bulbs have a lot more surface area so air cooling them with a fan blowing over them and trailing to an exhaust is very effective. For this reason they can be placed incredibly close to the light. Their shape makes them essentially like a radiator, they produce more heat per watt but they shed that heat well so it's not hard to control.

You also need to consider the lumens at their average distance to the plant in both scenarios. the CFLs also win hands down on the score cards for even distribution due to their shape and number of bulbs / square foot.

CFLs can compete with HID under optimal conditions which are many times harder to achieve using CFLs and require much higher plant counts and the right variety that stays very short.

Setting up a proper cabinet or tent is also going to cost heaps of money, unless you're stealing the bulbs.

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Yeah great but what does it have to do with this garden or the one he's using as a example. I never said anything different then what you have but since going by his pictures he dosen't have any of the limitations that would need cfl lights.

This cabinet uses them in the top for the reasons you gave.


So Going by the pictures in this thread his garden would be better off with a hid then cfl light since heat isn't a issue and he only has a few plants and doesn't need to spread out the light. Also if he continues to grow his plants in the form of small bushes (which is kind of cool looking cause they look bonsi) he's going to have issues with light penetration which can be handled better because of what you said. The fact that the light comes from a centralized source and not spread out would help in this garden. With this garden he's wasting money using a light source that converts more of it's energy toward making heat then the hid light does. 

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Also using the proper bulbs, ie higher than 13w per cfl and more appropriate wavelengths/color would probably increase that .5 gpw figure a bit.

I'm almost curious enough to try CFL now.

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go for it. Won't work well for me I need light penetration past the 1 foot mark.

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I like to think of it as stirring the pot. Me and you make up like 20% of the posts made on this forum in the last week.

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lol.....I'm still laughing. Thanks man.


Well I gotta go spread some pollen. Today is Sweet 16 and Gina day. (gina is a strain of mine not just the rag who is yelling at me for working in the garden all night).

You know I had to buy a house in Australia to keep this one happy

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and it's named after your lady?

Is she a sweet trainwreck? jk

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YOU ACTUALLY HAD ME GOING!

YOU JERK.

I started to get the feels.

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You handled it rather well with your response. I thought for sure I'd get ya to crack on that one.

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you sure it doesn't look like Mag def? or a zinc def? all the leaves i've compared it to on the internets point to those two?

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Fucking shit I'm a retard. I put up the pic of the revive and didn't tell why. If you have a mild nutrient def then use the revive. For bugs use azamax its suppose to be harmless to people.

Damn that was stupid of me. (shut up Koons)

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don't rain on my parade Magash.

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I'm not, I think you can do better.