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 40oz
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 First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 01.05.15] 
#749876 - 09/26/14 12:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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This is my first grow, using a small florescent grow spot lamp & available window light.
Yesterday, i re-potted them from 1.5 gallon to 3 gallon pots.
I read a bunch beforehand & i liked the idea behind
LST because it's just like doing bonsai, it's very therapeutic.
These first 2 photos are the blue dream. It took to shaping quite nicely:
The pineapple express didn't like LST.
I wasn't expecting the branches to produce branches to produce branches & now i don't really know what i should do, training-wise. It's become quite the monster. i just removed the ties all-together & i'm probably going to just let it do it's thing unless you have other suggestions?
I rotated the pot in the various photos so u can kinda see what's going on with it:
  
Any other suggestions you'd like to give me i would appreciate. thank you. =)
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EDIT Update 11/14/14 (about 7 weeks since initial post)
(Mods please move this to grow logs if you'd like)
Here is the new setup, my buddy gave me a t5 8 bulb floro for free.
I fixed my neighbor's PC so he bought me a box fan that sits in the window to draw in fresh air. The oscillating fan my mum gave me.
I started 12/12 3 weeks ago.
Here is the photo exposed to show the DWC clone box i made, wrapped in Bubble Foil below the table.
2 days ago, after seeing signs of pests leaving crud on both plants,
I removed most of the fan leaves & then treated the plants with an insecticidal soap from home depot.
Here is a shot of the Blue Dream afterwards:
Here is a shot of how i tied down & shaped branches:
These 2 side shoots literally grew 3" overnight after removing the fan leaves:
Both plants are showing this dark green banding on the fan leaves, anyone know what it is?
I feed them shultz 10.15.10, fish emulsion & super thrive the same way
Dr Bud feeds his plants in his tek. (although i let the soil dry out between feedings)
Here is the Pineapple Express.
It's a very bushy spindly plant, trying to manage the branches away from each other for breathing room has been challenging. at this point i'm only tying her down to keep a level canopy with the Blue Dream:
That's it for now. It's been fun!
I plan to give the clones a short veg time & throw them in to flower right away, I also plan to build a DWC bucket to see how i like that method.
Eventually i'd like to go with a full hydro/NFT system once i acquire all the necessities.
Constructive criticism is always appreciated, Thanks!
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Edited by 40oz (01/11/15 02:16 AM)
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 Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: mhbound]
#749880 - 09/26/14 07:33 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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Really though you can get 150watt HPS for under 100$. I bought one for like 60+shipping
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method [Re: mhbound]
#750031 - 09/27/14 12:26 AM (10 years, 5 months ago) |
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mhbound said:
What kind of growing medium are you using? That second plant looks a little stressed but that is likely from the repot.
Look into fimming/topping to keep it from getting too tall and just keep it trimmed. It will cause it to bush out more but as long as you keep it trimmed it should be no problem for you. The only thing is your amount of light, window light is all but a waste in my opinion I would at least buy as many of those lights as you can without it causing too much heat. That is my best advice for your situation.
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mhbound said:
Really though you can get 150watt HPS for under 100$. I bought one for like 60+shipping
growing medium was some organic potting soil from home depot.
I'm not sure if i'm sold on the fimming technique quite yet, i think i'm going to take 2 clones off the BD, fim one & then compare dry weight to see for myself.
After reading a bunch, what i think i'm gonna do is defoliate the fan leaves from the PE and tie the branches away from each other so they aren't crowded fighting for light. Hopefully that'll be enough to stop the spindly growth.
As far as the window light goes, it's not diffused but hard light coming through my windows, so they get a good dose every day. I just had a baby recently so liquid assets are nil', i have to work with what i got. just the way it goes. =)
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna]
#757305 - 11/14/14 10:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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oeric mckenna said:
Hey man.
About this defoliation thing you mentioned. I gotta say that I really believe that you want as many leaves as you can get with the exception of pruning scraggly bottom branches on tall plants.
The best plants with the biggest buds got those buds from energy absorbed by the leaves...
Pulling leaves can really bum on a plant and yours look kind of sparse as is. Just my 2 cents since you asked... &Best of luck brutha
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Magash said:
Pulling all the fan leaves was a mistake. If you want more power you don't go out and yank solar panels off of the roof.
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captain.koons said:
You can defoliate in flower and it improves yield especially(only) when your canopy is over crowded. Anything green is going to be photosynthetic but you need a large mass of buds before you even think of doing that.
You should also know your genetics as it would be a very good way to stress your plants and possibly throw nanners.
Absolutely no reason to do it in veg or with CFLs or whatever you're using. The reason why it works well under HID is there's an abundance of foliage for the amount of light being shined down on the canopy. so photosynthesis is driven well when your canopy is thinned as it's got the maximum (or close) amount of light exposure it would be getting with all those extra leaves sitting in the shade.
Never do this in veg.
This post is a synopsis of this thread that explains why i did it. The dude in the icmag thread posted photos of this tek in action & reasoned why removing fan leaves makes the plant focus on bud sites instead of fan leaves.
After seeing those photos of his buds i was a believer. 
Do u guys know what this is? Both plants are showing this dark green banding on the fan leaves.
It happened when i recently switched nutes from 5.1.1 to 10.15.10+fish emulsion+superthrive:
i'm not sure if the banding is normal or not 
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: 40oz]
#757318 - 11/15/14 02:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dr Bud is a retard from what I can see.
He is using as he puts it
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1176 Watts of CFL's under Flower at once
OMG how stupid is this. CFL lights for one are not cooler then HID lights. With less then 350watts of hid he could be getting the same amount of light he's getting with 1176 of cfl light. Ahhhhh...I'll save this for another day.
Now that striping on your leaves I've only seen a few times and it was caused (in my case) by some disease that was caused by plant pests. Revive works well for fixing plants.
Now training the plant the way you did is cool but with a plant that small you're gonna have a bunch of tiny little buds. Try (if you're bored and want more smoke) to do a larger amount of untopped plants in one space. (it worked for me anyway)
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: captain.koons]
#757330 - 11/15/14 07:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Magash, although I think CFLs suck too, you need to consider how easy they are to cool regardless of their effeciency, the bulbs have a lot more surface area so air cooling them with a fan blowing over them and trailing to an exhaust is very effective. For this reason they can be placed incredibly close to the light. Their shape makes them essentially like a radiator, they produce more heat per watt but they shed that heat well so it's not hard to control.
You also need to consider the lumens at their average distance to the plant in both scenarios. the CFLs also win hands down on the score cards for even distribution due to their shape and number of bulbs / square foot.
CFLs can compete with HID under optimal conditions which are many times harder to achieve using CFLs and require much higher plant counts and the right variety that stays very short.
Setting up a proper cabinet or tent is also going to cost heaps of money, unless you're stealing the bulbs.
Yeah great but what does it have to do with this garden or the one he's using as a example. I never said anything different then what you have but since going by his pictures he dosen't have any of the limitations that would need cfl lights.
This cabinet uses them in the top for the reasons you gave.
So Going by the pictures in this thread his garden would be better off with a hid then cfl light since heat isn't a issue and he only has a few plants and doesn't need to spread out the light. Also if he continues to grow his plants in the form of small bushes (which is kind of cool looking cause they look bonsi) he's going to have issues with light penetration which can be handled better because of what you said. The fact that the light comes from a centralized source and not spread out would help in this garden. With this garden he's wasting money using a light source that converts more of it's energy toward making heat then the hid light does.
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Also using the proper bulbs, ie higher than 13w per cfl and more appropriate wavelengths/color would probably increase that .5 gpw figure a bit.
I'm almost curious enough to try CFL now.
 go for it. Won't work well for me I need light penetration past the 1 foot mark.
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
#757478 - 11/15/14 03:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: Magash]
#764130 - 01/02/15 02:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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well Magash, you predicted just everything that was gonna happen.
I did/do have thrips and the fungus gnats.
The thrips, i find maybe one or two grubs about once a week and i go over just about every leaf every night to kill those little snotty motherfuckers.
The fungus gnats are more of an annoyance than anything.
you said i would have issues with light penetrating the canvas,
and now all the undergrowth (that i probably should have pulled out earlier) are all pale & limp. I tried to put a CFL down there to give them a little more light but it's been a week and there is really no difference.
Unless you guys say otherwise, i am going to pull the undergrowth.
My only concern is if it will interfere with flowering (branch tips just now started budding/flowering)
I didn't realize it but for a few months, there was major light leakage
coming in from the curtain that extended my 12/12 cycle into more like 18/6. 
So without further rambling, here is my puny little plant that isn't so puny anymore:
The plant is about 3 feet tall from the top of the pot.
I put sticks between the branches so the colas aren't soo crowded together.
so much for 'cool little bonsai's eh?  
Here is the bottom undergrowth looking like day old salad:
and here is the PE:
I've had a stigma against this plant because it's more shrubby than it is branchy & didn't really train as easily as the BD.
but i think it was mostly because my buddy gave my wife a dried up plant for free (that had the same characteristics) because he said it wasn't worth his time trimming it. (it had little pocket buds at the nodes instead of colas)
SO i just assumed that i'd get the same deal. but that's really not the case,
There s flowering going on the entire length of the branches, more so than the BD.
well I've rambled enough. time for Z's.
oh, can anyone predict how much longer i've got until harvest? it's been foreverrrrrrrrrrrr 
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: oeric mckenna]
#764164 - 01/02/15 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Use Monterey's Garden Spray with Spinosad to quickly and efficiently destroy thrips. I'm not sure how well it works on others, but its a guaranteed/safe/organic/effective solution against thrips.
Thripe damage
Typically found on the underside of the leaf, often next to the vein hiding.
life cycle. Later in life they turn black (some) and start to fly. I though I was dealing with Gnats because of it (I could have been also) but they went away with thrips.
The solution:
Its a bacteria they found it in the 70's under a defunct sugar cane factory in the Caribbean and have found that it is like a thrip apocalypse. Usually one spray will cut their numbers back to near extinction, but a second spray a week or two later and you'll be thrip free for awhile. I get them seasonally because I live next to grain fields that get harvested twice a year.
I would start with that if you can confirm you have thrips, then get something that treats fungus gnats if you still have the problem.
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Re: First grow, Blue Dream & Pineapple express, LST method. [UPDATE 11.14.14] [Re: 40oz]
#764933 - 01/11/15 02:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pic update:
Here's a shot of the BD, gettin fatter, she's about 3 feet tall from the top of the pot:
a little closer:
obligatory cola shot:
she's starting to fill in with buds 
  
Here's the PE, she's a shorty, about 2 feet tall:
If you zoom in you can see Thrip damage/residue on one of the fan leaves in this first pic. I'm trying hard to keep them under control without having to resort to pesticides. I inspect just about every leaf every day,
I also use a vaccuum+hose with the brush attachment and vacuum the undersides of the leaves with an upward stroke from the bottom to the top. It works great with no damage to the plant.
  
and that's all for now. My babies are growing up *sniffle* =[
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