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Hawksresurrection said:
I love it when people ignore science.  Makes me giggle.

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LivioDoubleFang said:
Global warming is about as real as the Easter Bunny. Since the dawn of the Industrial Age, we have been putting much CO₂ in the atmosphere - which in turn is used for food by plants to give us O₂.

I cannot even fathom how Al Gore was able to win a Nobel Peace prize for this idiotic concept. It seems these days Nobel Peace prizes are being handed out for the most obscene of reasons. Back to topic - global warming is just a way to impose a global carbon tax thereby robbing everyone of even more money until the elites have total control. Couple this with all the shit they have been spraying in the skies and as well as putting into out food supply and the goal becomes clear: total global depopulation agenda.

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LivioDoubleFang said:
Global warming is about as real as the Easter Bunny. Since the dawn of the Industrial Age, we have been putting much CO₂ in the atmosphere - which in turn is used for food by plants to give us O₂.

I cannot even fathom how Al Gore was able to win a Nobel Peace prize for this idiotic concept. It seems these days Nobel Peace prizes are being handed out for the most obscene of reasons. Back to topic - global warming is just a way to impose a global carbon tax thereby robbing everyone of even more money until the elites have total control. Couple this with all the shit they have been spraying in the skies and as well as putting into out food supply and the goal becomes clear: total global depopulation agenda.

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LivioDoubleFang said:
Global warming is about as real as the Easter Bunny. Since the dawn of the Industrial Age, we have been putting much CO₂ in the atmosphere - which in turn is used for food by plants to give us O₂.

I cannot even fathom how Al Gore was able to win a Nobel Peace prize for this idiotic concept. It seems these days Nobel Peace prizes are being handed out for the most obscene of reasons. Back to topic - global warming is just a way to impose a global carbon tax thereby robbing everyone of even more money until the elites have total control. Couple this with all the shit they have been spraying in the skies and as well as putting into out food supply and the goal becomes clear: total global depopulation agenda.

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Please find my comments on these shenanigans in the quote below...marked with a

Anything marked with a is marked for being a data point that is too short of a period to tell us anything about the overall climate shift...just sayin

Other parts of this quote are marked up based on how I feel when i read it.

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luvdemshrooms said:
New Climate Change Report Is Filled With Falsehoods


Posted 05/12/2014 06:51 PM ET

Climate: Not since Jimmy Carter falsely spooked Americans about overpopulation, the world running out of food, water and energy, and worsening pollution, has a president been so filled with doom and gloom as this one.

Last week's White House report on climate change was a primal scream to alarm Americans into action to save the earth from a literal meltdown. Maybe we should call President Obama the Fearmonger in Chief.

While scientists can argue until the cows come home about what will happen in the future with the planet's climate, we do have scientific records on what's already happened. Obama moans that the devastation from climate change is already here as more severe weather events threaten to imperil our very survival.

But, according to the government's own records — which presumably the White House can get — severe weather events are no more likely now than they were 50 or 100 years ago and the losses of lives and property are much less devastating.

Here is what government data reports and top scientists tell us about extreme climate conditions:

• Hurricanes: The century-long trend in Hurricanes is slightly down, not up. According to the National Hurricane Center, in 2013, "There were no major hurricanes in the North Atlantic Basin for the first time since 1994. And the number of hurricanes this year was the lowest since 1982."

According to Dr. Ryan Maue at Weather Bell Analytics, "We are currently in the longest period since the Civil War Era without a major hurricane strike in the U.S. (i.e., category 3, 4 or 5)"

• Tornadoes: Don't worry, Kansas. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration says there has been no change in severe tornado activity. "There has been little trend in the frequency of the stronger tornadoes over the past 55 years."

• Extreme heat and cold temperatures: NOAA's U.S. Climate Extremes Index of unusually hot or cold temperatures finds that over the last 10 years, five years have been below the historical mean and five above the mean.

• Severe drought/extreme moisture: While higher than average portions of the country were subjected to extreme drought/moisture in the last few years, the 1930's, 40's and 50's were more extreme in this regard. In fact, over the last 10 years, four years have been below the average and six above the average. This last sentence does not address severity at all, nor does this point as a whole compare much of anything as far as actual data backing up the claims that previous decades were more extreme.

• Cyclones: Maue reports: "the global frequency of tropical cyclones has reached a historical low."

• Floods: Dr. Roger Pielke Jr., past chairman of the American Meteorological Society Committee on Weather Forecasting and Analysis, reports, "floods have not increased in the U.S. in frequency or intensity since at least 1950. Flood losses as a percentage of U.S. GDP have dropped by about 75% since 1940." This data does not reflect the state of the climate, due to the fact that a large number of hydroelectric dams were built on major rivers in the US after 1940. These dams help to regulate and prevent major flooding.

• Warming: Even NOAA admits a "lack of significant warming at the Earth's surface in the past decade" and a pause "in global warming observed since 2000." Specifically, NOAA last year stated, "since the turn of the century, however, the change in Earth's global mean surface temperature has been close to zero."

Pielke sums up: "There is no evidence that disasters are getting worse because of climate change. ... It is misleading, and just plain incorrect, to claim that disasters associated with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods or droughts have increased on climate time scales either in the U.S. or globally." Roger A. Pielke, Jr. is a political scientist by degree...he is mainly involved in the politics behind climate change, not the science.

One big change between today and 100 years ago is that humans are much more capable of dealing with hurricanes and earthquakes and other acts of God.

Homes and buildings are better built to withstand severe storms and alert systems are much more accurate to warn people of the coming storms. As a result, globally, weather-related losses have actually decreased by about 25% as a proportion of GDP since 1990.

The liberal hubris is that government can do anything to change the earth's climate or prevent the next big hurricane, earthquake or monsoon. These are the people in Washington who can't run a website, can't deliver the mail and can't balance a budget. But they are going to prevent droughts and forest fires.

The President's doomsday claims last week served mostly to undermine the alarmists' case for radical action on climate change. Truth always seems to be the first casualty in this debate.

This is the tactic of tyrants. Americans are wise to be wary about giving up our basic freedoms and lowering our standard of living to combat an exaggerated crisis.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/051214-700561-obamas-climate-change-warning-frightens-but-doesnt-enlighten.htm

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luvdemshrooms said:
Science can be a bitch.



Sometimes it says what you want to hear, sometimes it doesn't.

Clean air and water is great. I want it. That doesn't mean the fear mongering and exaggeration is winning any points.

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Showing a graph of global average temperature, with the x-axis being the global average temperature from 1960-1990, and having the vast majority of earth's historical average temperature below the line just proves how close we are to a historical maximum.

Additionally, this just shows historical fluctuations PRIOR to the industrial revolution, because at the resolution posted, the period from 1760 to 2014 (dawn of the industrial revolution to now) takes up about the last 2.5 microns (.0025 inches), and thus is much smaller than the thickness of the graph line. This does not address the drastic changes in ground cover, gas output into the atmosphere, relocation/spreading/eradication of species, chemical/garbage content of ocean water, etc. that has occurred largely after 1750 at an accelerating rate.

Looking at historical data is a good way to see what has happened in the past, and to show how close we are to causing problems if we continue to change the variables that resulted in our historical climate cycle. It does not accurately show what will happen in the future though, because WE have changed the variables more than any other species in the history of the planet (except for the cyanobacteria that first oxygenated the planet).

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LivioDoubleFang said:
Global warming is about as real as the Easter Bunny. Since the dawn of the Industrial Age, we have been putting much CO₂ in the atmosphere - which in turn is used for food by plants to give us O₂.

I cannot even fathom how Al Gore was able to win a Nobel Peace prize for this idiotic concept. It seems these days Nobel Peace prizes are being handed out for the most obscene of reasons. Back to topic - global warming is just a way to impose a global carbon tax thereby robbing everyone of even more money until the elites have total control. Couple this with all the shit they have been spraying in the skies and as well as putting into out food supply and the goal becomes clear: total global depopulation agenda.

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Actually, it shows more than that.

It shows there are graphs and charts that will show things that some like and some don't.

It shows that over the last few hundred thousand years the earths temperature has fluctuated quite a bit. Both UP and DOWN.

It shows that the Earth's temperatures appear to be cyclic.

It shows many are arrogant enough to think that what humans want... is what the planet should do.

And it shows that too many people chose the Chicken Little approach.

It doesn't matter what years they used as a baseline. The Earth has been both hotter and colder than it is now.

I lack the knowledge to say with certainty one way or the other. It's too bad more can't admit that they don't either.

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Since my opinions on the matter are based on research, review of empirical data, a proper knowledge of statistical significance, and high consideration for our long term quality of life...I'll just stick to my PRA conclusion that fucking around with major heat transfer characteristics of a planet system is not a good idea, since we have no real historical data to draw conclusions from on that particular set of initial conditions.

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