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Now its almost impossible to find those pure sativas in nature, or so I heard, that the land race sativas have been washed out with indica genetics and the plants that are growing outdoor naturally all have indica mixed in them by now.

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Even in remote places in Asia? I would hope there is a patch growing in some remote part of Laos/Thailand/Cambodia etc.

Look at the pearl islands in Panama. From what I have read there is a decent chance that somewhere in those cluster of islands (about 200 or so). Panama red could be growing wild in that region. Back in the day this region was known to produce Sativa cannabis before the cocaine trade came in(thats not to say that nobody was growing anymore but that less people were and for "pesonal" i.e. not exporting). The weather is good year round and the soil is fertile not to mention the constant breezes. Most of the islands are also uninhabited.

I would also like to hope that if there was patches of 'Panama Red' still growing on some of those islands, untouched by any other strain.

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I'm not saying they're not out there, but not as they were in the past. Even the sativas you do find in nature are said to rarely be land races because of how much humans have interacted with the plant. Obviously the more remote the more natural things will be, but the plant has had a lot of help from man.

Corn used to be a wild grass like a type of wheat, but through selective harvesting and seed retention the native Americans turned it into (mostly) what it is today. Of course it took them centuries, but its amazing what you can do to a plant.


Greenhouse seeds has strainhunter a reality tv type show where they try and find land races. Basically there is a race out there to preserve them before they become adulterated.

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I'm gonna have to argue with this a little. I agree with it as it may pertain to hemp but not to our version of the cannabis plant. Yes I do agree that we have bred the shit out of the plant but not in a way that will help it survive in the wild in fact we have done quite the opposite.
We have bred for stronger taste and smell. We have bred for potency and for yield. What we have done esp since the indoor movement started in the 80s and we started sheltering them is make them far more susceptible to spider mites and pests. They grow bigger buds so they are far more easily molded when grown outdoors.

What we have done is make them human. We use to live in the wild but modern medicine and living in houses with central heat and so on have made us from a species that use to live in the wild to a species that if dropped of in the wild die off in a matter of days.

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I'm gonna have to argue with this a little. I agree with it as it may pertain to hemp but not to our version of the cannabis plant. Yes I do agree that we have bred the shit out of the plant but not in a way that will help it survive in the wild in fact we have done quite the opposite.
We have bred for stronger taste and smell. We have bred for potency and for yield. What we have done esp since the indoor movement started in the 80s and we started sheltering them is make them far more susceptible to spider mites and pests. They grow bigger buds so they are far more easily molded when grown outdoors.

What we have done is make them human. We use to live in the wild but modern medicine and living in houses with central heat and so on have made us from a species that use to live in the wild to a species that if dropped of in the wild die off in a matter of days.

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but I've heard from a few sources that true landraces are becoming increasingly more difficult to find.

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people have grown FAR FAR FAR more bud outdoor.

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This is true but there has been FAR FAR FAR more breeding done indoors. Skunk #1, Blueberry, Bubble Gum, Afghani #1 are all among the first of the strains to get names. These are also the first known hybrids to be grown in large numbers. Sure it could be done outdoors but not many growers were storing pollen from their Indica plants that finished 6 weeks earlier to put on their longer flowering Sativa plants.
The guys to start true breeding were Neville of SSSC and Ben Dronkers founder of Sensi Seeds and these guys didn't start true breeding till the early 80's.
Land race strains have had thousands of years to establish themselves in the locations they are in while most true hybrids can't even survive in the wild without human help.

Then the reasons for breeding in the first place. There are a lot of seed companies out but very few breeders. Which is a person who does more then just the F1 cross and none of those people are doing work to make the plants hardy survivors outdoors. They breed for yield and potency mainly neither of which is gonna help the plant outdoors in fact the larger budding plant tend to rot outdoors in the later season taking their seeds with them.

When you talk about corn true in that case but there has been extensive breeding and some genetic engineering to make it a hardy plant to grow outdoors in large crops. This kind of work has never been done with the cannabis plant. Hemp yes cause it is a legal crop in many countries but as far as the version of the cannabis plant we like it has never been done. No large companies or corporations have ever been able to grow it in crops legally so no work has been done to make the plant grow like that. Definitely not in amounts that would take over areas from existing land race strains.

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UltimateDevotion said:
i love watching the smart ones argue

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