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Dr. Siekadellyk said:
I don't like the sound of all this.

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UltimateDevotion said:
Never seen or heard of the stuff til I came here.

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thats what they want you to think, but truth be told... youve known all along. your K eye is opening and you are becoming aware.

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poor boy said:
just got this email...

Here's the full breakdown, it will indirectly affect all strains.

Right now, we're trying to get more Thais and Malays, but the FDA has blocked off that route.  We're going to try another slower, costlier route, but the shipper is dragging their feet at having to pay higher up front shipping costs, but we'll have to give them a higher bid.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Well, with this shortage that's likely to take place, there would be no more Bali, Indos or Maeng Da etc.

Also strains from other nations would likely sell out faster than can be supplied, since Indonesia controls over 90% of the trade.  Taking them out of the picture would create a huge demand pressure imbalance.  Even this season there was a shipping ban and shortage that created, not as bad as it could get in the future, but gave us a taste of what it may be like.

It's tough to know what will happen.  But Indo does control 90-95% of sales, so if demand remains steady it will have a demand pressure of 10x or 20x what it is now in relation to the supply. This is just a guess I'm not a economist, but we did see the same thing happen early in 2013 with that ban/shortage scare.

Here's some articles I came across:
http://en.tempo.co/read/news/2013/11/14/055529490/Police-Unravel-Three-New-Drug-Types
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/law-enforcement-reveals-21-new-types-of-narcotics/

So I gather it's being submitted to the ministry that controls the law for drugs, along with some synthetic stuff.

Good news is we have a large stock of Bali and have one batch that's not opened yet officially, but I've tested it when I got it and it's very good.

In other good news, kratom will still be coming from Thailand, Malaysia and some other regions, but they are pretty small compared to the volume from Indo.  In Malay, it's already banned, but treated as a mild crime, so they can actually bribe their way out of that one.  But I'm assuming it will be a more severe law in Indo, as they are know for not messing around with drugs.  Thailand it's highly illegal and not much comes actually from there, but our current stuff comes from the border region where it's easy to slip back to Malaysia. Thailand will be easing up their kratom laws, if the early reports are true and things go as suggested there.  I'd assume they even increase production etc there, hopefully.

I think within not much time, if the ban does pass, many vendors will close, and folks stop using as much kratom. This will cause demand to drop and at some point, supply will once again match demand.  However it's slow to get kratom to grow and mature in a farm.  We've been counting on wild harvested, forest matured leaf - it takes a lot of time and $ to cultivate.  Another good thing about it, is it's scarce, hopefully headshop vendors are the first to close - reducing the chances hopefully of a domestic ban - especially on the federal level, which would be the worst and probably end the industry quickly.

Here's an updated link, which says it's been submitted to be outlawed.

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=id&u=http://www.shnews.co/detile-27868-empat-narkoba-jenis-baru-beredar-di-indonesia.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dbnn%2Bkratom%2Bindonesia%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26hs%3DBvc%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26channel%3Dfflb

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Retail Location Signatory Name
2013/12/14 03:09 IDJKTA,Indonesia International item has left originating
country and is en route to Canada

03:08 IDJKTA,Indonesia International item processed in originating country

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least my order did not get seized

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Some sellers have been posting and emailing around that Indonesia has banned kratom (export), causing some panic in the market over the last few days. Since some are already trying to score in the google rankings based on "Indonesia Kratom Ban", its our duty to outrank them and post the facts. I do not think it is time to panic, but below some of the "ban" facts.

- Some sellers from Borneo have indeed not been able to ship abroad over the last week and have heard that the export is banned, they have been told so by local BPOM officials (the Indonesian "FDA" in Kalimantan/Borneo, they regulate medication and so on), but it has not been officially confirmed nationwide and there is no nationwide restriction in Indonesia. It should be noted that BPOM is indeed like the FDA, so its not an Indonesian version of the DEA and so on.

- Others (those not located in Borneo) continue to ship as usual and have had no trouble over the last week.

- Online there are already some rumors circulation about an Indonesian ban or that it has been outlawed in Indonesia. This is not the case.

- Shippers in Borneo have had trouble in the past as well, while others were free to ship in the same time and even aggressively started to email when a so called "ban" was put in place, this indicates that some sellers in the Borneo area might have bribed officials to stop competitors shipments from being exported. Not saying this is the case now, but it certainly is something to keep in mind.

It is possible that the situation might indeed change, so I recommend stocking up some, just in case.

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UltimateDevotion said:
Never seen or heard of the stuff til I came here.

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Me too lol

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bikewrench said:
this is sad.  it's been such a good friend over the years. 
my two kratom plants better stay alive so that one day i'll have my own forest

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