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Re: The Preferred Nutrient Solution of The Growery Community 2013.

[Re: phychotron]
#711328 - 02/03/14 04:42 PM (11 years, 1 month ago)

Dude, you're awesome. You make so many good points here I can no longer remain silent on this issue.

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Midgetpawn said:
Yea that occurred to me after writing this, but I'd read(I think on growery) that Botanicare supposedly has excessive amounts of water in their forumlas.

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Midgetpawn said:
Yea maybe they are no more watered down than the other top liquid nutrient brands. I really have no idea. BTW all bio-bizz's products have (discontinued) next to them on amazon.

All I know is I'm having a hard time choosing a nutrient line to try out/compare and you can pretty much eliminate them all if you use opinion to decide. I'm about to just support some small underdog company like blue planet or maverick sun.

What many people don't realize when they buy ANY LIQUID nutrients is that you are basically buying BOTTLED WATER! These nutrient companies make a base nutrient, MIX WITH WATER (just like Kool-Aid but you mix that at home), and sell it in the hydro store. Why you ask? Ask the guy who started selling bottled water. Water is cheap.

Ever notice that most solid(powdered) nutrients have a parallel liquid line? Wonder why most liquid nutrients do not have a parallel solid line? Because it's more profitable to sell water. 'They' (grow stores and nutrient companys) both know this and want you to think, "Well this works for my buddy and it's 'tuned' for my plant so since it costs more money it must work better, right?" The whole "You get what you pay for, argument?"

Sounds more like a sales pitch to me.

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CrushNazT said:
i ignore what companies say about their products. the best way to figure it out is to see whats tried and true. see what other people use. i switched to botanicare when i moved to colorado after i saw my friends grow in denver. amazing 50+ plant grow. the final product was amazing, so i was sold. zero complaints with it.

The first part of this is spot on, the second part is exactly what I'm talking about. To an extent.

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Harry_Ba11sach said:
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Midgetpawn said:

One of these companies should really just straight up make a cannabis fertilizer line that talks about being for and has specific directions for cannabis.

You know Advanced Nutrients does that, right? And honestly that's why they get such consistently stellar reviews (from people that have used it). It's made specifically for cannabis, and honestly it shows.

So do these guys. The Growology System. It's a 3-part complete nutrient regimen designed specifically for medical cannabis. It's a combination of organic and non-organic ingredients and it works great! I want to be clear that this IS NOT what I use in my grow.

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hawksapprentice said:
Well they're all specifically designed for cannabis. They just don't advertise it as such.

They are? I thought they were all specifically designed for growing plants. How many people use the General Hydro 3-part Flora Series? Tuned for cannabis? Would you be surprised to know that the GH Flora Series grows many of the greenhouse peppers and tomatoes (and an ass-load of other hydroponic vegetables) that you buy in your local supermarket, or the flowers you give your Mom on Mothers day? Just saying, maybe they're not so much designed for growing cannabis as growing plants.

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phychotron said:
You can pretty much figure that most all of the liquid nutrients out there are geared toward cannabis to begin with, so you don't really need them to say it. It also makes your brand less universal for that random actual tomato gardener who might pass on it.

Oh yeah they are! It's easy to sell water to someone with cottonmouth. What a crock. When was the last time the guy at the hydro store tried to sell you solid(powdered) nutrients? Anyone?

Why can't you grow plants with things you find at a garden store or greenhouse. I mean after all, when you step back and look at it you're just growing plants. It's not too complicated. I'm sure many of you have a friend or family member with a real vegetable garden. Do their corn, peas, tomatoes, etc., taste like crap because they used garden store nutrients or forgot to flush their soil? Did their flowers not bloom because they had deficiencies and had to run to the garden store to buy $100 gallon or $30 quart(it gets worse) of nutrients? Not likely.

I worked at a family farm and greenhouse for years. We grew so many different kinds of flowers, fruits and vegetables it would make your head spin, multiple directions. There were a couple of different fertilizer formulations that were used for an entire 600 acre farm and greenhouse. All of them fit in 8ft. worth of space. None of them were $30 quarts or $100 gallons. No one ever came back and said, "My flowers died" or "My carrots taste like crap." Think about that the next time you're in the hydro store spending your paycheck on nutrients.

I know someone who grows with liquid "grow store" nutrients and I personally do not. I gave him some clones. Mine are clearly doing much better than his by a long shot, it's not even a contest. And to top it off, the clones I gave him are the best looking plants he has overall. He's convinced that his end product is going to be better than mine because his have never had a deficiency so far. What he doesn't understand is his plants aren't growing fast enough to have a deficiency. He's going to have to veg almost twice as long to get the same size plant.

Growers routinely convince themselves that since they're paying a premium price for their nutrients that they will get a premium product despite the evidence they see in front of their face. Personally, I don't need fire-breathing dragons sexy pin-up girls or fancy photo-shopped lightning bolts and shiny labels to grow weed. P.T. Barnum said, "A sucker is born every minute."

"You get what you pay for" and "You got to spend money to make money" is a sales pitch. You don't make money by overpaying for something. You make money by working.

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