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 TomCollins
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 Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine.  [Re: Blackd0ve420]
#688557 - 10/10/13 08:46 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hi Black0ve, welcome to the Growery!  Thank you for sharing yourself and your grow, it looks very promising!
I have one suggestion: CFL's produce a very poor source of light at a very low efficiency compared to HIDs. You'll be paying more and getting less at the same time with CFL's as apposed to using HID's, and I think it's best to acquire a more powerful light sooner rather than later - because otherwise it may not be worth growing.
It might also be useful to know, we actually have a separate forum dedicated to grow logs, and you might get more feedback there. (I'll try and see if I can get the attention of one of the moderators.)
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: WildBud420]
#688782 - 10/11/13 06:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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It doesn't matter though. CFL's are very inefficient compared to a MH/HPS HIDs, irrespective of growth phase. Recommending CFLs for any growth phase over an HID is most probably a mistake.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: WildBud420]
#688832 - 10/12/13 05:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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WildBud420 said:
No question HID's are better, but they are more expensive, and generate a lot more heat. In a 2x2x4 tent heat is a concern especially if your not or can't air cool the light.
So drawing on the implication from Magashs post and adding onto his response: acquiring an HID is only expensive in the short term and will produce less units of heat per watt, compared to cfl.
That's why I don't understand why people use them at all.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: WildBud420]
#688882 - 10/12/13 12:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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WildBud420 said:
No question HID's are better, but they are more expensive, and generate a lot more heat. In a 2x2x4 tent heat is a concern especially if your not or can't air cool the light.
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WildBud420 said:
lol All i said was that cfl's work fine for veging 1 or 2 plants.
No. You said HID's generate more heat - we're saying, actually CFLs generate more heat.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: WildBud420]
#688908 - 10/12/13 02:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Indeed. Aside from your name calling, I'm not convinced you're interested in any sort of constructive discussion. Enjoy your day.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: Blackd0ve420]
#689442 - 10/16/13 06:56 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Blackd0ve420 said:
If you want to start an argument fast, then visit an Internet Grow Forum or Chat Room and mention CFLs vs HID Lights. (HID Lights = High Intensity Discharge Lights)
Let me just tell you a fact. HID Lights (High Intensity Discharge Lights) are much more efficient than CFLs (Compact Fluorescent Lights) and they grow FASTER and penetrate a large plant much better than CFLs do. HID lights grow tighter denser buds too. That is a fact no one should argue. HIDs win easily.
Wait a minute. What costs more to purchase? What requires a fancier Reflector and costs more to hang? What cost more to use and adds more to the electric bill? What cost more to handle the HEAT? What do I have to VENT? What will VENTING cost?
You're making things waaaay tooo complicated!
In the long run, the answer to all your questions there is the CFL.
You need to think about the time complexity of each light - that is, what is the lumen output (lm), cost (in $$), heat (in C), wattage (watt), energy efficiency per cycle, per bulb over some interval of time.
A quicker but less revealing method would be to take the each bulb (cfl and HID HPS): look at the wattage, figure out the average heat of the light over some time interval, lumens per square meter, and the energy efficiency per cycle. Solve for 1 watt for each light system, and then apply the same conditions to all the other features I listed in this paragraph.
I don't mind at all. I like math a lot - I'm happy to do this step by step.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: TomCollins]
#689443 - 10/16/13 07:13 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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Another perspective to consider is the per grow perspective.
What will 4x100 Watt CFL's cost you per grow (for let's assume 10 grows.) What will be the output?
What will 1x400 Watt HPS bulb + Ballast cost you per grow (let's assume 10 grows again.) What will be the output?
Will any of the bulbs break or go out?
Consider that 400W HPS bulbs are almost the same price as 100 Watt CFL bulbs.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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TomCollins
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Re: Tired of dealing with people..growing my own medicine. [Re: TomCollins]
#689444 - 10/16/13 07:23 AM (11 years, 5 months ago) |
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If this is your one and only grow...
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Blackd0ve420 said:
Wait a minute. What costs more to purchase? What requires a fancier Reflector and costs more to hang? What cost more to use and adds more to the electric bill? What cost more to handle the HEAT? What do I have to VENT? What will VENTING cost?
...then the answer to these questions is the HID. But things become more complex when you do multiple grows.
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andyistic said:
Ok so let me bring you idiots up to speed.
The admins are tired of this shitfest being made the joke of the weed community on the Internet.
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