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Quote: phychotron said: aerocloners are by far the best and most affordable option. You can build one for around $40, then it only takes a few pennies per time.
I use what is called the "scrape technique" and just add about 1ml/gal of Superthrive (its IBA-the rooting hormone and B vitamins) or other IBA containing product. Hella roots in 3-12 days, depending on the daily/nightly temps.
i made my own, it looks exactly like that but its 2 gallon version.
I use cutting edge micro and bloom, about 2.5ml-5ml per gallon. i get roots in about 5-12 days.
Definitely like the idea of those one liter air pots. I might get some of those.
Why no nutrients before roots? I only have 8 plugs and I don't do all 8 at once. Ill take a couple here and a couple there with a few days to a week apart at least. Would I just be running plain water the whole time then?
Mine never bush out like that its always just one long search root that eventually branches out. But I hate that because I have had then break off before.
Quote: phychotron said: Nutrients just tend to cause problems before it roots. They don't need salts/nutrition--they cant absorb any, they need rooting hormone. You could run plain water, and I've had decent results with just that, but if you keep it simple with a little IBA based product you can have it last a few weeks(months) without having to change the water. Depends on how your stuff looks after awhile, but if it feels/smells like normal water then i'll leave it.
Do you scrape at all? take a fresh razor and drag is sideways down the bottom ~inch of the stem in 2-3 spots to take the outermost layer of cells off.
I have the 15 minute interval timer, so I do 15/30 on/off, sometimes 15/15, but it depends on the time of year, if its getting too warm/cold, I'll let the pump run more/less often to keep the temperature. Not sure of the exact temp of the water, but its lukewarm when it's working the best. I have a seedling heat mat taped around it for the winter.
That 5 gallon bucket with 13 sites can take around 50 clones. You can put 3-4 cuts into one collar, they have the t shape, then just don't let the roots get tangled up, its why I'm transplanting when they first show up like that, but also once they get to that point they take to the coco/aircells well.
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Why no nutrients before roots?
If they are getting nutrients and water without the roots forming new roots will be slow cause the plant will be focusing on growing vegitive growth since it's able to meet it's needs without the roots.
Even though both done with a aero cloner this is with no gel
This is with gel even though they were only in it for a few seconds
Okay that makes sense. Well being that I have clones going in and out of the bucket all the time should I just do plain RO water and dip all the cuttings and scrape them before dipping?
I wouldn't mind doing plain water if its as effective as using nutes. Because it seems like I would have slow roots all the time then if I'm using the nutes full time.
Quote: phychotron said: if your IBA is in the water then you wont need to dip, just scrape and put in while the pump is running, they will get the stuff. gel might be easier to dip first if thats what you have.
I'm not sure what IBN is but I just ran out of nutrients. I was going to buy more cutting edge micro and bloom.
If I scrape the stem and use rooting hormone am I good with just running RO water 24/7? Keep n mind I have cuttings going in and it of the bucket every few days to a week, so they are constantly changing individually not all at once.
Would you say the results are equal if I use root hormone gel/powder and RO water vs nutrients in the water? By running 24/7 I meant that I either have to run plain water or nutrient water but not both since I change all the time.
Quote: phychotron said: I got mine from rogue hydro.com, they are listed as .3 gal now, but they look the same. $2.50 each is the best price I was able to find a year ago from them, probably still the cheapest. Looks like they have free shipping now too.
By grow bags do you mean plastic disposable or cloth? I'm not too fond of those plastic bags for very long, only when I need to hold a plant for awhile. I'd go with rigid plastic before I go back to the soft bags.
You could flower in the 1L, but I'd want a flood table or some sort of automatic watering, they're going to dry up fast in flower. I can't vouch for how well they would work that way, but I think the way I use them is the best route with them--prepping for transplant.
Sorry OP, we kinda hijacked the thread with the airpots, but still valuable info nonetheless.
I use the grow bags that are actual bags made of plastic. I'm only using them because they are tall and skinny instead of short and fat or whatever but that was for my veg tent and now I want to flower in them.
But now flowering in 1 liter air pots is starting to sound better then the one gallon bags or even plastic pots that are one gallon. I'm not worried about having to water a lot because my flowe tent isn't that big I wouldn't have more then like 12 in there or so at a time
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