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aerocloners are by far the best and most affordable option. You can build one for around $40, then it only takes a few pennies per time.
I use what is called the "scrape technique" and just add about 1ml/gal of Superthrive (its IBA-the rooting hormone and B vitamins) or other IBA containing product. Hella roots in 3-12 days, depending on the daily/nightly temps.
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Quote: phychotron said: aerocloners are by far the best and most affordable option. You can build one for around $40, then it only takes a few pennies per time.
I use what is called the "scrape technique" and just add about 1ml/gal of Superthrive (its IBA-the rooting hormone and B vitamins) or other IBA containing product. Hella roots in 3-12 days, depending on the daily/nightly temps.
i made my own, it looks exactly like that but its 2 gallon version.
I use cutting edge micro and bloom, about 2.5ml-5ml per gallon. i get roots in about 5-12 days.
don't put any nutrients in the water. Not until the roots have already started to grow. Even then, I like to transplant early like when shown.
I go into coco using the 1L Airpots. those 1L 'aircells' as they call them, are amazing, and probably one of the best investments you can make for young plants. They way they are setup allows them to transplant very very well, lots of root tips just waiting to go, not swirled at the bottom, but dozens of points sticking out.
The larger airpots might not be worth it, compared to bags (but they're rigid and work very well), but the 1L are worth the $2.50.
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Nutrients just tend to cause problems before it roots. They don't need salts/nutrition--they cant absorb any, they need rooting hormone. You could run plain water, and I've had decent results with just that, but if you keep it simple with a little IBA based product you can have it last a few weeks(months) without having to change the water. Depends on how your stuff looks after awhile, but if it feels/smells like normal water then i'll leave it.
Do you scrape at all? take a fresh razor and drag is sideways down the bottom ~inch of the stem in 2-3 spots to take the outermost layer of cells off.
I have the 15 minute interval timer, so I do 15/30 on/off, sometimes 15/15, but it depends on the time of year, if its getting too warm/cold, I'll let the pump run more/less often to keep the temperature. Not sure of the exact temp of the water, but its lukewarm when it's working the best. I have a seedling heat mat taped around it for the winter.
That 5 gallon bucket with 13 sites can take around 50 clones. You can put 3-4 cuts into one collar, they have the t shape, then just don't let the roots get tangled up, its why I'm transplanting when they first show up like that, but also once they get to that point they take to the coco/aircells well.
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If they are getting nutrients and water without the roots forming new roots will be slow cause the plant will be focusing on growing vegitive growth since it's able to meet it's needs without the roots.
Even though both done with a aero cloner this is with no gel
This is with gel even though they were only in it for a few seconds
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Quote: phychotron said: Nutrients just tend to cause problems before it roots. They don't need salts/nutrition--they cant absorb any, they need rooting hormone. You could run plain water, and I've had decent results with just that, but if you keep it simple with a little IBA based product you can have it last a few weeks(months) without having to change the water. Depends on how your stuff looks after awhile, but if it feels/smells like normal water then i'll leave it.
Do you scrape at all? take a fresh razor and drag is sideways down the bottom ~inch of the stem in 2-3 spots to take the outermost layer of cells off.
I have the 15 minute interval timer, so I do 15/30 on/off, sometimes 15/15, but it depends on the time of year, if its getting too warm/cold, I'll let the pump run more/less often to keep the temperature. Not sure of the exact temp of the water, but its lukewarm when it's working the best. I have a seedling heat mat taped around it for the winter.
That 5 gallon bucket with 13 sites can take around 50 clones. You can put 3-4 cuts into one collar, they have the t shape, then just don't let the roots get tangled up, its why I'm transplanting when they first show up like that, but also once they get to that point they take to the coco/aircells well.
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Why no nutrients before roots?
If they are getting nutrients and water without the roots forming new roots will be slow cause the plant will be focusing on growing vegitive growth since it's able to meet it's needs without the roots.
Even though both done with a aero cloner this is with no gel
This is with gel even though they were only in it for a few seconds
Okay that makes sense. Well being that I have clones going in and out of the bucket all the time should I just do plain RO water and dip all the cuttings and scrape them before dipping?
I wouldn't mind doing plain water if its as effective as using nutes. Because it seems like I would have slow roots all the time then if I'm using the nutes full time.
Quote: Angus said: Surprised to hear people say aero cloners are "cheapest" or "simplest". I can't think of a more expensive or complicated way to clone.
My favorite way to clone:
-Go to the grocery store and buy a cake. -Go home and eat the cake. -Cut clones, dip in water, dip in clone powder and put in damp soil. -Put clone trays in plastic cake dome. -Put cake dome in the veg room. -10-20 days later, clones are rooted.
I submit that that method is cheaper, simpler and tastier than an aerocloner!
That being said...aerocloners are pretty neat and effective and probably a better way to go overall.
Well this it almost the same way I clone I just dont use a cake pan but i might I love cake!!This is what i cloned couple weeks ago. They are diesel and critical plus
Quote: Angus said: Surprised to hear people say aero cloners are "cheapest" or "simplest". I can't think of a more expensive or complicated way to clone.
The results that you get in just a few days, and the explosion of roots makes your plants grow and take much faster. Using most other methods will allow you to save money on materials/up front costs, but if you value the way the plants take root, it is the best for the price. I have only seen mediocre root growth, usually just one or two out of the root cubes or soil at first, it takes an extra few weeks for those plants to catch up. Try counting the roots that you get out of the aerocloner, its almost impossible sometimes.
You eliminate the uncertainty of rooting, no question of weather its rooting or not. I've gone weeks only to find that they are just sitting in the cube/soil not doing shit.
You get more bang for your buck with an aerocloner.
I'll agree with some of this. Now as far as cost the aero cloner is gonna win that cause once past he cost of buying or making one you can get away with just plain water if you want. As far as easier it wins there also. No domes just plug and play so to say.
Now as far as faster and better rooting I have to disagree. Not seeing rooting as fast as a aero cloner or as much rooting then you need to modify your tech.
This is what rooted cubes should look like within three weeks of taking the clone.
With plugs
Rockwool
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Not seeing rooting as fast as a aero cloner or as much rooting then you need to modify your tech.
Its not just my tech, its almost everyone's clone's I've seen. Its easier to teach someone how to make an aerocloner than it is to explain to everyone how to get the optimal growth conditions for cloning, and then have them to actually achieve that. Its about $50 to make the one I use, but it automates the whole thing.
Three weeks in an aerocloner and they would still have more roots than those. This photo was taken 27 days after being cut off the plant.
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Just thought id show some different plants in an aero cloner for those who havent seen before. These are bouganvillea, coleus, vicks, and croton.
These are my personal plants that I cloned using the Ez clone gel since it came with the machine, and I also used that Clear-Rez they sell too cuz it had a sample of that too. Prolly wouldnt buy that again though.
Takes about 1 week to see lil nodes pop up, 1-2 weeks to see decent roots forming, and by 2-3 weeks you have whats in these pictures.
All these plants were taken at the same time so you can see different plants respond differently to different conditions. Some root slower naturally and some just explode. Coleus will root readily with no hormones in shitty water in less than a week for example. Most herbs i see are taken out by 2 weeks if they use a gel, and 3 weeks if just straight water for some people i know that dont use gel for organic reasons.
For those wondering whether to use a hormone or a nutrient, do not use nutrients. Its harder on the plant until it has roots. Even then, when I feel like doing a super fast clone for some of my special plants ill use the gel with straight RO water in the machine for about a week, then do a water change and add a rooting product such as General Hydro's Rapid Start and run it for about another week or two. It contains willow bark extract which has been used for propagating for ages but you only use it after the roots have begun to form.
And you can see the menthol in this pic is going nuts, but after too long they can get hard to take out and you can damage the root system.
If you wanna be a real cheapo gangsta about it you could go down to home depot and use that shitty Green Light Rooting Stimulator. I personally dont like it but it contains IBA and ive seen it used in aero's with good results.
Personally I am with Psychotron on the Airpots. I have seen people transplant to 3 or 5 liter Air Pot, veg for another week or two and then flower. The combination of completely unrestricted roots going into a container that can not get root bound are really fucking nuts. The plants take off super fast and get really big really fast.
Dont bitch cuz its not herb, im in texas so fuck you suck a dick. Just trying to show what roots look like since someone showed em in rockwool.
Hey Polo I've flowered plants in small pots before.
but that doesn't mean I recommend it. The more root space the better no matter the situation. Weather in a air pot or hydro don't matter. More root space more yield simple as that.
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