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 starting to get nervous now 
#665621 - 04/10/13 09:05 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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well I just went to water the girls today .. been 5 days sense the last watering, and seen that there drooping kinda bad and the bottom leafs are drying out.
I transplanted them today into bigger containers and gave them a good watering. I added 3ml of liquid karma per a gallon of water and the root growth enhancer. and the ph of the water I feed was at 6.5
    
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665627 - 04/10/13 09:47 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well I dont know how many times I have to say this, but you are definitely underwatering. If you just transplanted that, and watered, I shouldn't see any dry soil.
Regardless I don't think that's the main problem though.
How'd the roots look when you transplanted? I'm at a loss as to what is going on.
Was this bag seed? You may just have some really shitty genetics that were meant to be.
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Well I dont know how many times I have to say this, but you are definitely underwatering. If you just transplanted that, and watered, I shouldn't see any dry soil.
Regardless I don't think that's the main problem though.
How'd the roots look when you transplanted? I'm at a loss as to what is going on.
Was this bag seed? You may just have some really shitty genetics that were meant to be.
the reason u see dry soil is cause after I watered the plants, I was seeing some roots stick out a little so I threw more soil in the pot after. The roots were white that all I really know .
for seed they were barneys lsd fem seeds.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665632 - 04/10/13 09:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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could this be caused by a ph problem?
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665633 - 04/10/13 10:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I mean it's possible, but I would be surprised if it was due to that. Have you measured your run off at all?
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no I have not.. why should I ??
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665638 - 04/10/13 10:19 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's a good idea to keep an eye on it.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Stoneth]
#665639 - 04/10/13 10:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh just wondering could these be any form of a problem?? I was running my lights 24/7 up till about 4-5 days ago I switched it to 18 on 6 off.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665642 - 04/10/13 10:30 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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oh and those plants I transplanted I only had enoff soil for 9 out of the 12 plants and for those 9plants I used 10 gallons of water between them.. that should be enoff right?
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665644 - 04/10/13 10:40 PM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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As long as the soil was saturated it should be fine.
The run off can give you an idea of the the pH of the soil is at.
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 Whats a good run off ? 6.5?
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Well yeah. You don't have to check it all the time. But occasionally is a good idea.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665664 - 04/11/13 08:11 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Mrshroom said:
well I just went to water the girls today .. been 5 days sense the last watering, and seen that there drooping kinda bad and the bottom leafs are drying out.
I transplanted them today into bigger containers and gave them a good watering. I added 3ml of liquid karma per a gallon of water and the root growth enhancer. and the ph of the water I feed was at 6.5
i would agree with hawk...looks un-derwatered ....happens to me when i have to leave for work and come back in a day or 2 and they look exactly like yours did...they will bounce back...as it is a weed, and they are tough
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: greenjoe]
#665665 - 04/11/13 08:38 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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I was starting to get nervous a couple months ago..
What's your medium? I don't think it is over- or under-watering. My guess would be something funky with the soil..pH, a bad deficiency or some kind of toxin. A plant in nice, rich soil shouldn't need to have any kind of fertilizers or root enhancers or whatever added when the plants are this small. I don't add anything to my bagged soil until plants are knee-high at least.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Angus]
#665668 - 04/11/13 08:45 AM (11 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well if he just transplanted, isn't it supposed to be wilted for a little? How long has it been since transplant exactly?
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Well yeah. You don't have to check it all the time. But occasionally is a good idea.
I know hawk just putting I out there Thanks
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Maestro]
#665708 - 04/11/13 12:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well if he just transplanted, isn't it supposed to be wilted for a little? How long has it been since transplant exactly?
No, my plants never wilt when transplanted.
Also I never said that this issue was from underwatering, Greenjoe, I said it probably wasn't
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My plants never wilt from a transplant.
ive seen wilting/discolor from stress though
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: PoloDown]
#665741 - 04/11/13 04:58 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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well a quick update, I checked the plants real fast this morning after i got up before i went to work, and they looked like they got a little more life back in them, not as droopy today, guess 5 days between watering was just to long or something. im going to be checking them in a little bit to finsh the transplanting got 2 more plants to do tonight
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665754 - 04/11/13 06:47 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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well here are the new pics the girls look a lot better and stronger.. still got the leafs on the bottom that look like crap and drying out but im guessing that was damage that was done a little while back and it is what it is now and just got to wait for them to die off or something.
also I took a pic of the roots of 1 of the 2 plants I had to finish transplanting.
     
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665755 - 04/11/13 06:53 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh and I got my ppm meter today and check my house water and the ppm is at 170
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665760 - 04/11/13 07:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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There already looking WAY better. New growth looks great.
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There already looking WAY better. New growth looks great.
so im guessing that it was a lack of water that made them droop really bad.
now for my ppm is 170 for tap water ok? or is that high?
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665762 - 04/11/13 07:55 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's a little high, but I wouldn't worry about it.
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hey just wondering how did that pic of the roots look? did it look like it was time to transplant? or should I have waiting a some more time to transplant?
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665767 - 04/11/13 08:05 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It was a good time to transplant. It obviously had something wrong in there as well, so getting fresh soil to it, even if it's not time to transplant, was necessary.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Angus]
#665775 - 04/11/13 08:59 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was starting to get nervous a couple months ago..
and what is that supost to mean?? it seems like that you have a prob with me being a care giver.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665776 - 04/11/13 09:41 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can understand someone concern about having someone who has no experience being a caregiver. But as long as they know and are okay with it, then no one can say shit.
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yes the person does know that this is my first time growing,The person who im being a caregiver for ive know for a long time , and asked me to be his caregiver.
I know that this is for medicine usage and its not something im taking lightly. That is why I been asking all the question when I think ive seen something wrong cause I want to make sure I can do this right and be able to supply him the best meds I can possible be able to.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#665785 - 04/11/13 11:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey, I don't have an issue with it man.
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Hey, I don't have an issue with it man.
oh I know u don't hawk please don't think that I ment it that way. I was just stating how I view it and how Im trying to do it the right way.
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The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Mrshroom]
#665846 - 04/12/13 12:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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when you water.. at least 1/4 of what you put in should come out... that goes for the nute watering AND the plain old water.. using the nute/water/nute/water schedule is best.. ONLY water when the top of the soil is starting to dry..
another thing.... water slowly! and water right in the middle of the pot and let it fill up so it touches every edge... sit there and let that drain a little then add some more.. every water you should have to pour out at least a 1/4-1/2 gallon PER POT... this removes those nasty salts you don't want and will keep your pH balanced as well... always test the FIRST little bit of runoff.. I keep my SOIL pH at around 6.8
and that was totally nute burn and under-watering combined.. the tips of all the lower leaves dried and discolored and then it was supplemented by shriveling leaves.. that is what both of those things look like together..
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Re: The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Shexy8]
#665895 - 04/12/13 07:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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when you water.. at least 1/4 of what you put in should come out... that goes for the nute watering AND the plain old water.. using the nute/water/nute/water schedule is best.. ONLY water when the top of the soil is starting to dry..
another thing.... water slowly! and water right in the middle of the pot and let it fill up so it touches every edge... sit there and let that drain a little then add some more.. every water you should have to pour out at least a 1/4-1/2 gallon PER POT... this removes those nasty salts you don't want and will keep your pH balanced as well... always test the FIRST little bit of runoff.. I keep my SOIL pH at around 6.8
and that was totally nute burn and under-watering combined.. the tips of all the lower leaves dried and discolored and then it was supplemented by shriveling leaves.. that is what both of those things look like together..
cool thanks for the input.
what I have been trying to do for watering is I mix up all my nuts in one gallon batches and then take 16oz plastic cup and water with that. been trying to go slow, but I will go slower then I have been to make sure its getting wet threw out the soil.
when I just watered it was about 5 days after the last watering and I ran about a half gallon of water threw the 1 gallon pots that were about 3/4ths full. so I thought I would be good cause people were telling me to give a it a good amount of time dry before next watering.
im going to check the girls tomorrow and see how they are doing for water cause tomorrow night will make 3 days sense the last watering and im not going to let it dry out as much as I did last time.
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Re: The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Mrshroom]
#665913 - 04/12/13 11:49 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Do you not check on them every day?
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Re: The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Hawksresurrection]
#665918 - 04/13/13 03:05 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah man.. you gotta check on em every day too.. like this guy is implying here.. i know when something is starting to go bad as soon as it appears because i know every inch of my babies... this is a good way to make sure big problems dont actually HURT the grow more than they have to... i dont wait for the whole first inch of every leaf to burn before i know it's nute burn.. since my first solution is to flush completely and then rewater with half strength nutes.. and then go to full strength the next time.. easy as pie brehhh
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Re: The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Shexy8]
#665924 - 04/13/13 08:12 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh I do check on them every day, But for the watering part like I said, I was told to give it a good amount of tiem in between watering so that way I would not be checking the soil damp ness everyday for a couple days after I just watered. but I do check on them everyday to check humidity and temp and check out the leafs.
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Re: The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Shexy8]
#665940 - 04/13/13 01:22 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah man.. you gotta check on em every day too.. like this guy is implying here.. i know when something is starting to go bad as soon as it appears because i know every inch of my babies... this is a good way to make sure big problems dont actually HURT the grow more than they have to... i dont wait for the whole first inch of every leaf to burn before i know it's nute burn.. since my first solution is to flush completely and then rewater with half strength nutes.. and then go to full strength the next time.. easy as pie brehhh
Half strength feeding after nute burn? Isn't that too much? It's not like the flush pulls nutrients out of the plant
I barely ever get up to full strength feeding. Like last 2-3 weeks maybe.
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Re: The proper solution to this easily avoidable problem.... [Re: Maestro]
#666099 - 04/14/13 10:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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and whati mean is "half" of the amount you usually give them.. my nutes are completely mixed by me strength wise.. i don't follow shit.. i go by what the plant needs and what the soil is holding at that moment..
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As long as the soil was saturated it should be fine.
The run off can give you an idea of the the pH of the soil is at.
I just watered the girls a few mins ago and the ph going in was at 6.5 and the ph of the run off was at 5.7-5.8
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#666505 - 04/16/13 10:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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So then it would put it in the ball park of 6.2 or so
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Wait is that right??? Something seems off about that.
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I was wrong. I wanna say that it would be below what your run off is reading then. I;m a little too fucked up for to figure this out right now.
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5.8 is the average of 6.5 and soil ph. Soo 5.1
Just pH your waterings to 7.0 untill the runoff is 6.8ish
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#666569 - 04/17/13 07:28 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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holy shit man! get some lime dolomite and sprinkle it onto the top of the soil... then water over that... and it will keep your soil at a neutral ph of around 7... fis it or it will start to show... dolomite is really cheap.. so yeah.. get it.. it's always nice to have around when there are extreme ph issues such as yours..
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Shexy8]
#666570 - 04/17/13 08:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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This was the reason people have been having issues to begin with. Dolomite Lime has a pH anywhere from 8.5 to 10. If you don't know what you're doing with it you can cause a lot of damage.
With the right application is can help. But I don't recommend it for beginners.
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This was the reason people have been having issues to begin with. Dolomite Lime has a pH anywhere from 8.5 to 10. If you don't know what you're doing with it you can cause a lot of damage.
With the right application is can help. But I don't recommend it for beginners.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: scrapske]
#666602 - 04/18/13 09:24 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I really wish I could find the link, but when I ran out of ph up and had to feed I stumbled across this method, and it worked fine for upping as far as I could tell.
Basically: Make a double boiler, with a handful of dolomite lime in the top pot, keep on low for 5 min(stir as much as possible), pour into container through a coffe filter. This water will be 10+ph but you only have about an hour to use it before the lime separates out.
I had to add about 3x the amount of it to my nute mix compared to actual ph up, but still better then vinegar lol
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Maestro]
#667141 - 04/22/13 09:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok I just watered the girls again today and I ran the ph of the water at 6.9 and the run off still came out at 5.8 wich is weird cause last watering the ph was at 6.5 and the run off was coming out at 5.7-5.8 am I missing something here?
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#667172 - 04/23/13 12:12 AM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's going to take time to change the pH of your soil. Don't worry about that portion, just make sure that the pH going in is ok.
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so should I have the ph going in at 6.5 or higher?
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#667242 - 04/23/13 02:45 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'd stick with 7, optimal for soil can be between 6.5-7
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I'd stick with 7, optimal for soil can be between 6.5-7
ok thanks hawk, figured I would just double check first cause I know by the charts that 6.5 ph is were the plant can have access to all nutes, but going up on the ph a bit, some nutes can be absorbed. so was not sure what i should be getting my water ph at sense my ph of my run off was so low.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#667296 - 04/23/13 06:12 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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In all honesty, I am all over the place with my pH. Sometimes it's 6, sometimes it's 8. That's the great thing about soil. It's forgiving.
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Re: starting to get nervous now [Re: Mrshroom]
#667298 - 04/23/13 06:13 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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oh and i just checked them out today and the got big sense i watered them last night around 10pm.. going to put the pics up in my grow log
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