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Second Grow/Indoor/22x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed
    #659526 - 02/18/13 07:56 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

Seeds were planted Dec. 18 and Dec. 25.  Sorry I'm starting this journal late but I'll try to be complete and thorough. 

First attempt was in Miracle Grow potting mix and ended half-assed due to conflict with partner, who has NO knowledge or care but has THE PLACE!  :laugh:  He also made everything unnecessarily complex and difficult.  They got spider mites because he brought them in from outdoor vegetable garden and he consistently under-watered them (thought starving them for water made them stronger!?!).  Then he harvested them too early and dried them too quickly.  We ended up with 2oz from about 12 plants.  Well, I can't give him all the blame since I absenced myself.  We've worked things out and I'm fully in charge of this grow, so I'm over there at least every other day to inspect, prune, etc.

This is a super budget grow with second-hand and home-made T8 fixtures, in 4-5 gal plastic buckets in a 4'x5' area.  Half the bulbs are 3000K and half are 6500K.  The only REAL money is in the bulbs.  BTW, that's 50,400 lumens in 20 sq. ft. or just over 2500 LUX (?)

I've read a shitload here and elsewhere and I'm violating some rules, at least according to a lot of the "common" wisdom.  :grin:

I re-used the spent MG potting mix from last grow, re-invigorating it with home-made worm castings (25%) and coated dolomite.  I used fresh MG in one bucket to get a comparison. 

We started with 6 buckets and 25 plants.  My "buddy" started his bag seeds in a 6" pot, en-masse and told me about it a week later!  I then pulled out my 7 seeds I had saved from quality weed (you know, a seed every couple ounces kind of weed) that I had been saving for years.  His is from generic so-so weed that's full of seeds ($50/quarter weed).  So, mine started a week later than his.  I started mine in single starter-packs. 

Surprisingly, the traumatic transplanting didn't seem to bother the plants too much.  I split them in groups.  5 of mine germinated and one died.  In total, we had 25 plants!  Not really the way I wanted but he's a bone-head and insisted we plant them all.

Some were culled due to being out-competed (I expected this).  One plant busted out in male flowers at about 4 weeks.  Others displayed their sex and widely varying ages, one of which JUST showed itself after 2 weeks of flowering! 

So, we're down to 11 females in 4 buckets.  At least I hope they're JUST females.  I'll keep an eye for hermie traits.

Some of the plants took off like crazy and, to keep everything even, I've experimented with LST and HST.  I was SURE some of the taller ones would be male, but they turned out to be female!  Many branches too!

ALL of them look to be Indica dominant, if not totally.  Please judge for yourself.  The plants from my seeds (3 females from 4 plants)are showing the most aggressive flowering.

Since the goal is to go on the cheap, I'm using MG Bloom Booster at 1/2 strength.  To the point of flowering, nothing has looked nutrient deficient, so the initial mix apparently was sufficient.  I also have epsom salts on hand in case of Mg deficiency.  They've received two waterings now with the half-strength nute mix. Other than that all they've received is straight tap water that's sat out for several days to a week to air out. 

I am not a complete novice when it comes to growing, having gardened quite a bit in the past.  I also have a have some knowledge of biology.

Let's see ... what else?  Trying CO2 supplementation but we've had to keep the door open due to high humidity from rapid growth as of recent.  We have an electric heater on thermostat but haven't needed it much since winter has been mild. 

First photo is of entire setup at 4-5 weeks from planting seeds (or 3-4 weeks post germination).  Second photo is of a primary leaf on 2-14, and the last photos are of a male I culled on 2-14 showing internode distance and overall height at two months.  Last photo is dated today (2-18) and is the space with thee of the remaining four buckets/11 plants.  Very short, no?  I figure it's due to lots and lots of light. 

Thank you!  Comments and questions appreciated!



Following pictures are as of today, 6 and 7 weeks respectively, two weeks into flower.  Second picture is MG and has one of the biggest plants.  Third one is the younger and of better lineage.  Note more flowers.


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659546 - 02/18/13 11:15 PM (12 years, 5 days ago)

I found TWO leaves with this presentation.  Both of them were from very low, near the soil.  As you can see from other pictures, the plants look very healthy otherwise. 

Is this just normal senescence? 


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #659621 - 02/19/13 03:39 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

Right.  The presentation confused me a bit with the spotting. 

Thanks for responding, Hawk.  Any comments on the grow in general?

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #659622 - 02/19/13 03:49 PM (12 years, 4 days ago)

The further I get into this I notice what appears to be a wide range of genetics from the bag seed.  Some have narrower leaves and some have wider leaves.  I do have an understanding of genetics and figure open pollination allows all kinds of genetics to enter the picture. 

With that in mind, I suppose harvesting will NOT be all at once. 

Also, since some of these have a LOT of branching, is it recommended to harvest the top bits and let the lower branches to continue to be harvested later?

These girls are really stretching.  Watered yesterday and they've grown an inch since then.  Wow!

Some more pictures:  1st is HST from overly large plant ... nearly busted in half but healed nicely with many large branches.  2nd and 3rd pictures intended to show stem size and vigor.



Oh, the stuff sprouting is tomatillos and tomatoes sprouting from vermicompost.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #659784 - 02/20/13 05:30 PM (12 years, 3 days ago)

Thanks, Wannabe.  Not much activity here is there?

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #659843 - 02/21/13 11:47 AM (12 years, 2 days ago)

Quote:

budgrowerwannabe said:
I check this fucker out on and off all day.




ha-ha-ha!  Not much excitement yet but I hope it'll get more interesting in weeks to come!  I tried to get some flower pics the other day but they all came out of focus.

I'll try again today so you guys have something to look at.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: PoloDown]
    #660074 - 02/23/13 08:56 PM (12 years, 13 hours ago)

A couple more pics.  Not keeping exact timing on these because there won't be an exact repeat happening since no cloning, and it's bagseed that is showing a variety of genetic dispositions.

Anyway, about 2 weeks into 12/12.  Runoff pH, BTW, has been just over 6.  How is it I can have such fantastic growth with cheap soil/fertilizers, tap water, and fluorescent lights?  :cool:

They're really starting to stretch.  I have to raise the lights every day!




Addition:  Addition:  These all were in vegetation 7 and 8 weeks before moving to 12/12.  I wanted to veg sooner but many of the plants hadn't shown their sex yet, so the last plant finally gave evidence of pre-flower after 7 weeks.  Strangely, the younger plants (the better bagseed ... where you find a seed every couple ounces or so) showed sooner than the cheap stuff.  So that means we just completed two weeks of flowering.  6 more weeks or so!

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #660238 - 02/25/13 08:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

More pictures.  Some plants are huge and others not so.  Several of them have 10-12 full-size branches that reach the top and form a canopy.  The random genetics are showing themselves.  The tallest plants are 2 ft. and the shortest are 1 ft.  Remember, that's 11 plants in 4 buckets (3x3 and 1x2).  It's just getting difficult to keep the lights even now with the various heights. 

I am hesitant to do any more topping and there's nowhere to go with LST or HST anymore since I'm running out of light in the 4x4 ft grow area.  I could spread the lights out further or add more lights. 

I took out a bunch of the lower growth that won't make much of anything due to lack of light.  Not quite lollypopped (but I'd need much older plants for that, no?) but getting close to that.

Pictures show flower development, general health, and overall height.  The yellow bucket with human body in picture is MG and is some of the healthier looking plants.  Everyone got fert. today at 1/2 strength.

Leaf appearance would suggest no nutrient problems right?  See first post for soil composition and fertilizer choice.


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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #660251 - 02/25/13 10:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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Hell yea man looking good!!! how cold does your room get at night?




We're currently shooting for mid-60s and upper 70s to low-80s during the day.  Humidity was getting too high so we have to keep the door open most of lights on time.

I've been reading more and more on lighting and I'm starting to think 51300 lumens/16 sq ft might not be enough.  Fewer plants for that grow area would be better ....

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #660254 - 02/25/13 11:48 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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budgrowerwannabe said:
I just saw alot of purple on that sec. pic.?
Just add more]YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH LIGHT




Yeah, I think we can put together another 4x fixture.  That's another 11400 lumens over a 6" x 4 ft span.  A total then of 62700 lumens in a 4 ft x 5 ft area.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #660515 - 02/27/13 06:09 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

6 more weeks or so flowering left and it's interesting to note the vigorous growth in both the soils.  The two buckets with the largest plants are different, one being the MG potting Moisture Control mix with dolomite added and the other being the spent MG from previous grow with 25% worm castings and dolomite (no added fert. the whole veg stage except 1/2 inch worm casting top dress early in veg).  All have been getting MG bloom booster fertilizer at 50-60% recommended strength, every other watering since second week of flower (2nd fertilization last watering).  Runoff pH has been good (low 6s-ish).  Plants show NO signs of starving for anything. 

I think a lot has to do with transplanting directly from primary pots to the 4 to 5 gal buckets.  The soil was thoroughly moist.  I then waiting as long as I thought reasonable to water (I think maybe the third watering was two weeks interval?), the goal being to encourage the roots to follow the water.  And, I believe it worked.  It wasn't very long (3-4 weeks?) before I saw roots poking out bottom drain holes.  I take great car in watering to try to hit all the soil, pouring some down the sides (to counteract shrink and unwanted drainage), and water THOROUGHLY.  Tip:  if you have soil in flexible buckets, and if you're worried the soil is getting clumpy and hydrophobic, just squeeze the pots a bit and it'll break things up a little.  It also seems to invigorate growth for some reason ... probably rootlet proliferation. Then again you shouldn't let your soil get that dry anyway, if you can help it.

So, in short, I think establishing a hardy, nicely developed root system early on is productive, and this is what I did ....

The big girls are stretching like crazy.  I think 1" growth in the last two days.  Big, strong stems too.  Internodes are now about 2 inches,maybe 2-1/2 inches up high on plant with 10-12 main hope-to-be colas.  This is where the fluorescent fixtures are both a blessing and a curse.  It allows me to follow the varying heights of the plants with their fairly large different growth rates.  Curse because it's a pain in the ass.  Not so bad though.  Not a bad tradeoff ....  I did a fair job of HST and LST initially, but things got pretty bushy (not wanting to waste anything, I suppose).  Many of you would probably say my buckets/plants are too crowded.  I might agree but I think we're going to be ok with the 11 plants in four buckets.  Tight, not optimal, but ok/good.  I'm hoping for excellent!

Speaking of which, his it safe to top during flowering?  Doesn't seem right to me ....  Remove lower, weaker, shaded branches even though they show some flowering?  I have removed probably 20% of each plant's foliage at the lower branches and secondary branches that don't seem like they'll make it to the light. 

No more pictures, I think, for a couple weeks so I can share some real development and limit my library size.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #660612 - 02/28/13 03:08 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Watered today.  5 gal's/4 buckets.  These things are going crazy.  Branches towards the lights have 1/4" thick stems right to the tops!

4 more bulbs tomorrow.  Total of 22x32W.  If things keep going as they are, there is going to be a rather high g/W coefficient, methinks.  Probably 40-50 colas from 11 plants.  I haven't done an exact count but I know at least three of the 11 have 10-12 main branches, all heavily flowering and with 1-2" internodes on stout stems.  A couple few of the plants are "runts", about half the height and with no or only few stems.  Speaking of which, look at the first post in this thread, at the first picture.  The white bucket on the left front.  One of the plants in that bucket is a runt (and still exists).  Care to pick it out?  HInt: it looks different than the others.  :smile:

Genetics!  Bastards!!!!  :laugh:

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: Hawksresurrection]
    #660614 - 02/28/13 03:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
I never stagger harvest like that.  I just cut em down and move on.  When I get back home I'll go over the rest of the grow if I have time and make any comments if necessary




Hawk,
  Even if the genetics and/or individual plant development are naturally so divergent that some plants mature much sooner than others?  Is this a  matter of economy?  That is, to get the next batch growing instead of tying it up with a "finishing" harvest of runts?  I have recently considered sacrificing one or two of the smaller ones just for that reason, plus to dedicate resources to the remaining plants.
  I appreciate your knowledge.  Response requested.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #660617 - 02/28/13 04:28 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Really looking for critical analysis here.

Thank you.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #660747 - 03/01/13 02:28 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

this thing is going off the charts.  A couple of these plants are growing nearly an inch a day with aforementioned inter-node distances.  The genetic variation in this bagseed grow is tremendous.  Some are growing short and compact.  Others are REALLY stretching. 

Question:  What if I top these rapidly growing fems?  These are the ones that have 10-12 branches canopy.  Tallest plants at 29 inches now.

That little retard is only 1/2 the ave. height of all others and single stem with very little flower development.  There's another runt too.  What to do, what to do ...?

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #661011 - 03/03/13 09:35 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Bump!  Looking for guidance, accolades, and criticisms here, folks!  This is a fucking ghost-town!

More pictures to follow from today's visit ....

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #661058 - 03/04/13 01:28 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Week 4 of flower starting ... 5 or more to go ....

I read read read too but haven't found any specific info regarding my particular issue at this time, which is the wildly varying bagseed genetics I'm dealing with.  Some of these are stretching like crazy.  some are getting dense.  Other's ain't doing much at all.  The stretchers are bothering me the most.  BUT, if those tall stems fill in I'm gonna be a happy camper.  I'm just going to have to harvest each plant as it becomes ready.  What I thought was a bunch of mostly indica dominant plants ... I don't know anymore.  Some of them are starting to resemble sativas more than indicas so this thing might get crazy ...

Currently running about 63K Lumens, half 6500K and half 3000K.  Flowering stretch internodes are an inch or less and sturdy, thick stems. 

If I had to buy all these fluorescent fixtures, I think I might as well have invested in a couple HPS units.  BUT, the fluoro lights have the advantage of adjusting more accurately to the varying heights of the bagseed.  From 1 ft . runt to 30" monsters. 

The last batch of pictures I took aren't so great.  I'm usually in too big a hurry to get out of there so just snap and shoot instead of setting up.  Perhaps I'll get some good shots next time.   

BTW, Wannabe, that "red" plant is filling in nicely ... probably has the densest buds of all plants so far.  I can only IMAGINE how full these are going to be after 5 more weeks!

First picture is overview looking into the closet.  You can see the varying heights of the fixtures. 



Here's one of the 10-12 branch "super stretchers"  :eek:



Stretcher closeup (look at the THICKNESS of those stems!):



Bud closeup (which?):



Ditto (Red pheno).



Here's Red closer.  Photos just don't show the bud development very well:



Overview of the three of the four pots individually:








Thanks again for posting, Wannabe.  I wouldn't be on here if there isn't any participation/encouragement.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: zzzzzz]
    #661068 - 03/04/13 04:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

So, how'm I doing?

Comments, criticisms, suggestions, praise, advice sought and welcomed!!!!

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #661081 - 03/04/13 05:24 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, but look at that internode length.  If it was from weaksauce light, there'd be long internodes, no?

No scope yet.  Still using 10x monocular.

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Re: Second Grow/Indoor/18x32W Long T8 Fluorescents/Soil/Bagseed [Re: budgrowerwannabe]
    #661084 - 03/04/13 05:37 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Hey Wannabe,
  But consider (in addition to internode distance) that there are other plants under the same lights that aren't stretching like that, but forming dense buds at the moment.  Methinks perhaps genetics might be playing here ....
  All the HPS and such do is offer greater intensity, but not necessarily (as can be seen).

  Thanks for your time and input!

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