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 Iamasmoker
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 are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? 
#65580 - 06/25/08 12:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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what i mean by that is
if nothing else that i've noted, cannabis seems to grow slowly
but it also seems to be able to handle more nutrients than a usual plant, it doesn't burn from nitrogen easily
is the trick to these plants to feed them as much nutrients as possible and watch them go through a growth spurt?
i've sort of wondered this, if i could feed one of these plants 100 drops of miracle grow every time i water them, and see them go crazy
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also, i know organic composted nutrients are way more effective and contain more nitrogen than you could get with a manufactured nutrient, but this is difficult to feed to a plant, since it rots
maybe i could keep a composting pile of soil seperate, and feed a cup or two over the top of the plant every time i water?
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Iamasmoker
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#65586 - 06/25/08 12:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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or maybe i could keep holes dug around the plants and try and put compost in them, if i put a pile of soil on top of the composting piles and put it around the plants, maybe i could water down the slope of the piles and hope the nutrients run off onto the plant
no?
compost is one of the best ways to feed a plant, i'm just trying to figure out how to feed it without risking infection
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#65662 - 06/25/08 01:20 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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2 many nutes can do damage to the plants (Very bad damage). Keep your plants at a modest amount of nutes. Marijuana growth differs from strain to strain some grow pretty fast while some kinda drag along.
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Iamasmoker
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Mad Hatter]
#65681 - 06/25/08 01:37 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i see
but they do seem to be able to handle larger amounts of nutrients
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#65735 - 06/25/08 06:29 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Iamasmoker said:
also, i know organic composted nutrients are way more effective and contain more nitrogen than you could get with a manufactured nutrient,
Where do you get these ideas?
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Iamasmoker said:
if nothing else that i've noted, cannabis seems to grow slowly
Slow? Cannabis is among the fastest growing plants, you'd be one of the first people I've ever come across who'd call cannabis a slow growing plant.
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#65752 - 06/25/08 09:17 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Iamasmoker said:
is the trick to these plants to feed them as much nutrients as possible and watch them go through a growth spurt?
The trick is to learn to observe what the plants are saying regarding nutrient usage and their needs. Different deficiencies will show differently, and the plants will show when they have been over-fertilized. Different strains have different requirements as well. You start off with low amounts of nutrients and increase them when it becomes apparent that the plants need more. I'd have to think it is pretty easy to over-fertilize the plants, and it is a lot more stressful on them and difficult to try to correct than under-feeding them.
You just need to relax, wait until you have plants that are ready to be fed, and then start with low doses and increase as necessary until you find the sweet spot. Its really the only way to learn as far as that goes, since even the same strains will have different requirements when grown by others, depending on grow room variables like growing medium, pot size, temperature and humidity, etc.
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Sirius]
#65796 - 06/25/08 11:41 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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but it also seems to be able to handle more nutrients than a usual plant, it doesn't burn from nitrogen easily
that's not true at all, it's very easy to overfeed N. Problem is over feeding with N makes your plants look healthy if you don't know what to pay attention to.
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also, i know organic composted nutrients are way more effective and contain more nitrogen than you could get with a manufactured nutrient, but this is difficult to feed to a plant, since it rots
if it's properly composted, there's no rotting. I don't know where you got that idea from. Manufactured nutrients are just as effective as "organic" nutrients are, so you need to quit believing in that.
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captain.koons
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#65805 - 06/25/08 11:55 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Iamasmoker said:
if nothing else that i've noted, cannabis seems to grow slowly
sitting in on my friends botany lecture, his proff said that cannabis variety of plants photosynthesize or make their food the fastest of any other variety of plant.
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: captain.koons]
#65807 - 06/25/08 11:57 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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it's a weed, just like any other weed it has a fast rate of growth and spreads quickly.
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Iamasmoker
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: coda]
#65817 - 06/25/08 12:07 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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wtf everyone is telling me weed grows so quickly
well crap i either got really bad strains or just did something wrong
what about all the pictures i've seen of cannabis that grows 8 inches in a month or whatnot
weeds will grow like 2 or 3 feet in a month
hanky, do you just follow me around to be annoying? well, that's a dumb question
where do i get those ideas? i don't know, throw some old vegetables on top of your soil where your plants are and see if your plants don't hit a major growth spurt when these things biodegrade
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captain.koons
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#65926 - 06/25/08 03:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hanky's post in my opinion is constructive to this thread.
What do you even consider a manufactured nutrient?
Compost is "manufactured" from biodegrading waste to achieve a desired nutrient profile.
Coco substrates are "manufactured" from coconut waste.
Soil is "manufactured" to achieve growers many needs.
All this stuff is prepared in some sort of way, so what exactly are you comparing composts to? IMO... composts are a outdoor garden variety fertilizer.
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: captain.koons]
#65936 - 06/25/08 03:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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what about all the pictures i've seen of cannabis that grows 8 inches in a month or whatnot
weeds will grow like 2 or 3 feet in a month
those plants in that pic are about 1.5 months old and around 3.5 ft.
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captain.koons
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: coda]
#65941 - 06/25/08 03:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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cannabis plants are also meatier than some plants that appear to grow bigger.
like you can have plants like water reeds that grow extremely fast (I grow them in my aquariums sump to remove nitrates from my tank) but dry weight they grow slower than cannabis and they also need 100x more water to thrive.
height isn't a scientific measure of plant growth imo as plant growth is really how much food the plant produces via photosynthesis.
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: coda]
#65943 - 06/25/08 03:43 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Iamasmoker said:
what about all the pictures i've seen of cannabis that grows 8 inches in a month or whatnot
 This is in 10 weeks, but with 8 weeks of flowering; the plant virtually stops growing after 2-3 weeks of flowering and fully concentrates on making flowers. Outdoor strains and outdoor grows can become huge in a few months. Seedlings and clones grow slow in their first weeks because they have little roots and leaves.
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Iamasmoker
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Annom]
#66168 - 06/25/08 09:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't know, Hanky follows me around every just throwing criticism to anything I say, so forget that
what I was saying with organic nutrients is that some nutrients are just compost while others like miracle grow are bought at a store
so to me organic is not as in i'm referring to organic chemistry but organic as in all natural no chemical processed fertilizers, or however they make miracle grow
coda, that's a really good grow, i'm really suprised that a cannabis plant could get that tall in 1.5 months, but none the less fast or not i'm still sure that most people would say that the cannabis they've planted takes about a month to get a foot in the first month. Do all the plants you grow end up like that? or was this different from that?
the weird thing is, i've been able to get EVERYTHING i've grown to grow really fast, my woodrose vines all grew huge in a few months and the vine ends themselves can grow 5 feet in a day. the tomato plants i have took like 2 months to get their full size, they took 3 weeks to get maybe 7 or 8 inches, then went nuts from there. the plants i had before flowered like nothing and turned into super sticky buds i was practically pulling off my fingers like nothing, then when I picked them the buds grew back in a week which was argued against and most everyone said I lied about this, but the plants themselves grew like 6 inches a month
maybe I've screwed up each time, that really sucks. oh well, what can you do
i don't get it.......................that sucks
you guys sure you didn't buy some crazy strains?
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captain.koons
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#66172 - 06/25/08 09:32 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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there are completely organic solutions that beat compost.
the reason being you have a vegging and fruiting phase.
vegging and fruiting use different nutrients.
vegging you want high P and K
fruiting you want high N
there for composts nutrional value will not be optimal.
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if you use say bat guano, and worm castings in a soil mix using perlite, coir, soil, whatever you pick your nutrional value will be good, your mix will be airy, drain well, ect... more tailor made to the ideal conditions of cannabis.
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Iamasmoker
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: captain.koons]
#66184 - 06/25/08 09:40 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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i guess, but composts sure have everything you need and want
so do i have to buy those seperate nutritional fertilizers at a hydroponic shop?
cuz everything at home depot has the n p k all together
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captain.koons
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#66194 - 06/25/08 09:46 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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... you should really research things a bit.
you want high P and K for vegging
you want high N for flowering
some crappy fertilizer will have no trace elements and will likely have high P and K with moderate levels of N.
nutrient profiles are essential when vegging and flowering... you need absolutely no nitrogen when vegging and you need very high nitrogen when flowering.
prehaps a compost could be good if you added perlite and you got one that had low nitrogen and used a nitrogen rich fertlizer for flowering.
when you do your on soil mix with worm castings, bat guano and what not you don't need to give nutrients for a few weeks which is also a plus you'd be basically on your own if you used a compost as you wouldn't know how much fertilizer to use.
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Edited by coda (06/25/08 11:24 PM)
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Iamasmoker
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: captain.koons]
#66234 - 06/25/08 10:25 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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alllllllriiiiiggghhhtt
i had NO idea that nitrogen wasn't helpful in vegging, i thought nitrogen was helpful in all stages of plant life
i didn't know miracle grow was that crappy
well, what can I say
this is all new to me
i never saw any of this before
that's why i was saying organic compost was the best, it has everything. i wouldn't consider miracle grow very organic, it seems pretty chemical to me, although i know it's organic, it's just not organic in the sense of composting vegetables
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Re: are cannabis plants nutrient suckers? [Re: Iamasmoker]
#66238 - 06/25/08 10:31 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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it might not be completely useless in vegging but damn close for sure.
miracle grow works obviously but it is substandard.
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