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What really gets me here spencer is your attitude. This is a meta-analysis of 458 people studied in the 70s. Some glorious victory.

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What really gets me here spencer is your attitude. This is a meta-analysis of 458 people studied in the 70s. Some glorious victory.

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It doesn't prove anything about vegetarianism/veganism... its about specific types of oils, not sure how that could be any more clear. There are a substantial amount of other factors to take into consideration before drawing such a correlation, of which the study does not do.

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Here we go on this stupid argument again on which diet is the best I see it coming.

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Design Evaluation of recovered data from the Sydney Diet Heart Study, a single blinded, parallel group, randomized controlled trial conducted in 1966-73; and an updated meta-analysis including these previously missing data.

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Interventions Replacement of dietary saturated fats (from animal fats, common margarines, and shortenings) with omega 6 linoleic acid (from safflower oil and safflower oil polyunsaturated margarine). Controls received no specific dietary instruction or study foods. All non-dietary aspects were designed to be equivalent in both groups.

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Design Evaluation of recovered data from the Sydney Diet Heart Study, a single blinded, parallel group, randomized controlled trial conducted in 1966-73; and an updated meta-analysis including these previously missing data.

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So this is an evaluation of a study that was conducted in 1966-1973.

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Interventions Replacement of dietary saturated fats (from animal fats, common margarines, and shortenings) with omega 6 linoleic acid (from safflower oil and safflower oil polyunsaturated margarine). Controls received no specific dietary instruction or study foods. All non-dietary aspects were designed to be equivalent in both groups.

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That used hydrogenated oils in a study during a time when the detrimental effects of hydrogenated oils were not widely known.

Hydrogenated oils and/or omega-6 fatty acids are now known to cause vasoconstriction by way of inflammation of the blood vessels.  We also know that beginning in the middle of the 20th century, production of processed foods containing significant amounts of hydrogenated oils and consequently significant amounts of omega 6 fatty acids.  Now, omega-6 is an essential nutrient (one that the human body does not produce on its own), BUT like with anything in the body, when consumed in excess, it causes serious health problems.  The subjects then, were receiving excessive quantities of a substance we now know to have deleterious effects at those levels.

This study just reinforces old news: hydrogenated oils are bad news.  It does not reveal anything about a vegan diet.

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Design Evaluation of recovered data from the Sydney Diet Heart Study, a single blinded, parallel group, randomized controlled trial conducted in 1966-73; and an updated meta-analysis including these previously missing data.

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So this is an evaluation of a study that was conducted in 1966-1973.

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Interventions Replacement of dietary saturated fats (from animal fats, common margarines, and shortenings) with omega 6 linoleic acid (from safflower oil and safflower oil polyunsaturated margarine). Controls received no specific dietary instruction or study foods. All non-dietary aspects were designed to be equivalent in both groups.

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That used hydrogenated oils in a study during a time when the detrimental effects of hydrogenated oils were not widely known.

Hydrogenated oils and/or omega-6 fatty acids are now known to cause vasoconstriction by way of inflammation of the blood vessels.  We also know that beginning in the middle of the 20th century, production of processed foods containing significant amounts of hydrogenated oils and consequently significant amounts of omega 6 fatty acids.  Now, omega-6 is an essential nutrient (one that the human body does not produce on its own), BUT like with anything in the body, when consumed in excess, it causes serious health problems.  The subjects then, were receiving excessive quantities of a substance we now know to have deleterious effects at those levels.

This study just reinforces old news: hydrogenated oils are bad news.  It does not reveal anything about a vegan diet.

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Let me be clear:

I mean perhaps I have wrongly construed what I believe about the vegan diet, but I don't think the contents of my posts have in any way indicated that I think there is something to be said about the vegan diet from these results - instead, my intention was to slay down the archaic dogma of the era in which the data is from, that still lingers - particularly in the repertoire of those who appose the consumption of animal products.

Now, onto the contents of your contribution:

This is a revealing of data that has been hidden for 30 years.

First off those are not hydrogenated oils. Omega-6 fatty acids are not hydrogenated oils. It's a type of processing of the oil that makes it become a trans fat, it can be a plant based or animal based oil.

You say this is old news? We all know this? Then wtf is this Detective?
Livestrong - Alkaline DietLive Strong - Healthy FatsHelp Guide - Healthy Fats

I guess some people didn't get the fucking message eh?