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 redman2012
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After watering them really good, they still look like this two days after. You said it will take a few days but do you think they will bounce back or could it be another issue?
 
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 Re: Do these plants look healthy  [Re: redman2012]
#648597 - 11/29/12 03:00 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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They look better already!
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
#648599 - 11/29/12 03:18 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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When looking for improved health you look towards the new growth. The leaves that are already affected wont return to normal. It will takes a couple weeks for them to be looking perfect.
Just wait for them to dry out quite a bit. The best way to determine when to water is to feel how heavy they are directly after watering. Then every 4-5 days see how they weigh. Those shouldn't need water for a good long time, like a week and half or more is my guess.
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redman2012
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Sorry to keep bothering you guys with these newbie questions haha, but there is still new growth happening with the plant, new leaves are forming and they are still growing height wise, but i noticed today that even some of the new leaves begin to droop. I was wondering if maybe it is light stress on the plants due to being on a 24 hour cycle. Also I am thinking of doing some ph test to see where they are at. Like you said before older leaves will stay damaged but is it ok for the new leaves to be that way.
 
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
#648881 - 12/01/12 12:22 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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The soil could be a little hot for em. I'm sticking with just giving them more time.
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To my untrained eye those look beautiful!
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
#648898 - 12/01/12 04:33 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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No, they're having issues. The soil might be a bit too hot for em.
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I believe you TC....my comment related to my newness.
I certainly have high hopes for them!
I am using FFOF and have not fed them nutes yet. (Liquid Karma and some
Silica Blast only)
Good luck OP!
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: Javadog]
#648903 - 12/01/12 04:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think they'll be just fine. But I would like to see regular updates on me just in case
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redman2012
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Alright as you have said before it will take time for them to get back on track, but they have taken a turn for the worse in my opinion. They are drooping terribly and a couple leaves are even showing some tearing and damage. We have checked ph and it is about 6.5. We decided to go ahead and move into flowering just in hopes of getting some kind of yield from them. When we first started the grow we ran on a 18/6 and decided to change to a 24 and after that they grew good for a few days and this began to happen, could it be light stress from changing cycles, also could they have been so under watered that the damage is not fixable. We really appreciate the help guys.
     
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: redman2012]
#649028 - 12/02/12 11:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here is what I think.
There is plenty of debate over the 6 hours of darkness. I would never give up my 18/6, I believe to have seen a noticeable difference in root growth. Your plants were water stressed and they need time to bounce back. The roots are probably what's pissed and I would expect this switch to flowering is gonna do them in. They need time and darkness.
I think your rhizosphere is suffering and is in need of some beneficials.
But as always, you should see what the TC's have to say.
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: NameInUse]
#649030 - 12/02/12 12:04 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd say flush the shit out of em with pH balanced water. Make sure that you pH all the water you give em. When flushing you give 2-3 times the amount of water to soil in ratio.
As far as the 24 hour light thing, that's not causing this. I've used 24 hour a ton with no issues. I've bounced the lighting time around with no issues. I use 18/6 now just to save on money though.
I would recommend that you use some beneficial microorganism supplements, but that's not what's causing your problem.
Do the flush and let's see where they go from there.
And oh yeah, DON'T flower them now. You want to get them healthy before anything.
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Hawk: I don't understand why he should flush them. He said he's using Fox Farm Ocean Forest with no amendment or other fertilizer. This in conjunction with the fact that he's using distilled water would indicate to me a deficiency.
My thought is that this is either over-watering, or possibly a K deficiency indicating that he should start amending the soil since those ladies are definitely at a point where they should be receiving some nutes. Possibly a combination of both.
Redman: When you water, what method do you use to determine if they're ready. I just stick my finger in almost to the second digit; if the soil is dry to that point, I water. If it's still damp, I wait. I also do it by weight, which I think Hawk mentioned above. Just lift your plants when you're sure they're ready for water (finger test), and wait until they feel that light again before watering.
If you already do this, or you have some other method for knowing when to water, then I would say look into supplementing your soil with a broad, cannabis specific, macro-nutrient.
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
#649096 - 12/02/12 04:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would vote to cut the distilled water. Tap water has that extra cal/mg+ that you need. Especially when not using any nutrients. Its not good for humans to drink distilled water because it strips our bodies of valuable nutrients. Distilled water is like a vacuum, capable of holding onto molecules better than our bodies. Every reaction is driven by trying to balance its energy level and reach equilibrium--water does not like to be pure.
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
#649098 - 12/02/12 04:34 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh, and I also agree its time to start them on a light feeding.
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: phychotron]
#649099 - 12/02/12 04:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dangerous to anthropomorphize the plants (i.e. distilled water is bad for humans, therefore it is bad for plants).
Also, if he's attempting to supplement/encourage the growth of microorganisms, tap water is a terrible idea because of the chlorine present in most municipal water supplies. I also object to tap water b/c it can rapidly build up unwanted salt/mineral content in the soil and unless you know the ppm of dissolved solids in your water source, you're supplementing with an unknown value.
I do prefer RO water to distilled, and if you have a Whole Foods near you, they have dispensers for RO water; you can fill your own container for like 25 cents a gallon.
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
#649100 - 12/02/12 04:56 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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2. How old are your plants?
about a month
4. What size containers are they planted in?
3 gallon
This is why I would flush first. 3 gallons of soil should have more than enough nutrients for a month old plant.
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81renaissance
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Yeah, but it's just potting soil. I use a much hotter mix even on my seedlings. There's nothing to flush from the soil at this point, and I think that if it's an overwatering problem, the flush will just exacerbate it.
Also, month old plants should definitely be getting SOME kind of nutrients. Potting soil just isn't enough.
In fact, I think that the size of the plants also demonstrates that there is some kind of deficiency b/c those babies are way too small to have been in veg for a month. Stunted growth+inter-vein chlorosis+droopy leaves: I'm sticking with a.) over-watering unless the OP comes in and can say definitively that it isn't, and b.) either a K or S deficiency.
I honestly would let them dry out and see how they respond, because the stunted growth could also be poor root structure, due to lack of oxygen, due to overwatering.
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Re: Do these plants look healthy [Re: 81renaissance]
#649109 - 12/02/12 05:39 PM (11 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well if you read the thread he was under watering. He was giving like a cup or so in his waterings every 3 days. I instructed him to give a thorough watering and then let dry out.
He's using FFOF. That has plenty of nutes for the first month.
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81renaissance
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Blech. I don't disagree with you about the underwatering referenced above, but it is still showing all the classic signs of either over or under-watering (since both problems present similar issues).
OP: Are you watering them now until you get some run-off each time? Also how frequently are they being watered now?
Also, are there drainage holes in the bottom of those pots? Obvious question I know, but when my stereo doesn't work, the first thing I check is the power cable.
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BlueBerry_Swisher said:I want French fries. No, I want a penis French. Thank you. I'm so excited. I can not contain myself. Now I eat chocolate. It is so good. I'm trying to rub it all over myself. And then lick. Now I need a hot shower. The end.
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