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 Hawksresurrection
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 Re: Flour worse then murder  [Re: Shr0000ooooms] 1
#615959 - 04/02/12 07:56 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not all of us frequent the shroomery often.
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 kyuzo
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Miscusi]
#615994 - 04/02/12 09:58 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Miscusi said:Actually bro, the stand your ground law is pretty straight up and down. That man had the right to protect his home or his self IF confronted. HE DID not have the right to follow the man and provoke confrontation. When he called the police he should have remained in his home. Neighborhood watch or not, there is provision in the rules that say they cant even carry a weapon, Conceal carry permit or not.
read the statute
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3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.>>>
now consider that following someone, and not listening to 911 dispatcher, are not crimes.
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Hawksresurrection
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#615996 - 04/02/12 10:05 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Force to force, I think it's far fetched that if he was able to get his gun out and shoot the kid that we was in mortal danger.
And by ignoring the 911 dispatchers recommendation to not follow the kid, and then to follow him IS antagonizing him. I think once the investigation is complete he will more than likely be arrested for this.
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kyuzo
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hawksapprentice said:
Force to force, I think it's far fetched that if he was able to get his gun out and shoot the kid that we was in mortal danger.
"if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony"
again, clearly if someone is on top of you, preventing any possibility of escape, and is beating on you, there is "reasonable belief" that such actions will lead to "great bodily harm"
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hawksapprentice said:And by ignoring the 911 dispatchers recommendation to not follow the kid, and then to follow him IS antagonizing him. I think once the investigation is complete he will more than likely be arrested for this.
I can almost guarantee that if you attacked someone for following you, you would be charged, and found guilty, of assault
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#616004 - 04/02/12 10:24 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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For some reason I don't think it was completely unprovoked man.
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Hawksresurrection
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And judging by the lack of injuries to him he wasn't in a life threatening situation, I think in the long run this will end in his being tried at a minimum of manslaughter.
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kyuzo
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hawksapprentice said:
For some reason I don't think it was completely unprovoked man.
what you and I think happened is rather irrelevant to the question of what can be proven, beyond a reasonable doubt
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kyuzo
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hawksapprentice said:
And judging by the lack of injuries to him he wasn't in a life threatening situation, I think in the long run this will end in his being tried at a minimum of manslaughter.
I hope not, being that would be an instance of the judicial system serving pure political interests
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kyuzo
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hawksapprentice said:
And judging by the lack of injuries to him he wasn't in a life threatening situation, I think in the long run this will end in his being tried at a minimum of manslaughter.
If someone is swinging a sword at me, and misses, it's not going to leave any bruising, but that doesn't mean I don't have legitimate concerns for sustaining "great bodily harm".
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#616010 - 04/02/12 10:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Woah a sword and fists are a lame comparison man.
If the facts come out that the guy was harassing him then he should be charged. I just don't think that this guy is innocent in the matter. Of course there's the burden of proof, and hopefully what really happened comes out and he is charged appropriately for what has happened.
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kyuzo
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Woah a sword and fists are a lame comparison man.
on the subject of a lack of serious wounds equals a lack of threat of bodily harm? I would say the comparison is rather apt, unless you're under the impression no one was ever seriously injured while pinned to the ground, while someone struck them
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: kyuzo]
#616012 - 04/02/12 10:57 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A sword is assault with a deadly weapon. Using fists is not. This guy did not need to use a gun, regardless of whether he was legally allowed to do so.
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kyuzo
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hawksapprentice said:
A sword is assault with a deadly weapon. Using fists is not. This guy did not need to use a gun, regardless of whether he was legally allowed to do so.
it really doesn't matter, because both create reasonable expectation of bodily harm (especially in a prone position), which fulfills the requirements for the stand your ground law
*note the law isn't limited to "when people assault you with a deadly weapon"
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hawksapprentice said:
Not all of us frequent the shroomery often.
OP does and I was referring to him, not "all of us"
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shr0000ooooms]
#616146 - 04/03/12 05:15 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shr0000ooooms said:
2) throw flour on a rich white girl. You won't be arrested.
False.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/03/kim-kardashian-gets-floured-on-red-carpet/
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Police arrested the woman who allegedly threw the stuff and inspected the 30-year-old reality TV star to determine that it was, in fact, cooking flour that hit her, nothing toxic.
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#617660 - 04/11/12 03:59 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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PRAISE THE LORD GEORGE ZIMMERMAN IS IN CUSTODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Flour worse then murder [Re: Shiversblood]
#617662 - 04/11/12 04:01 PM (12 years, 8 months ago) |
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A rich white "famous" woman.
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