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 Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise  [Re: Alounacara]
#597292 - 11/17/11 12:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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wrong forum and that was ridiculously long
On the subject, I will say this. They deserve every penny they get. They bring in more revenue for the universities than any other program or anything else. Top tier college programs generate 50 million+ in revenue each season, not including Bowl games.
So if you dont think a guy who earns your school roughly 50-55 million in 1 year, deserves to make 2-3 million of it then just look at how Joe Paterno is being treated. The guy who has the most wins EVER in college football is being crucified because he didnt do enough to stop sex abuse. His job is to coach football, he has tons of people he is responsible for. He reported what he was told to his supervisors and went back to his job.
That is just the most recent instance of where we idolize a football coach and ask him to do something that is outside of his pay grade and outside of his responsibilities
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597294 - 11/17/11 12:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also you have to understand that you are talking about Florida State as well
A team that won 2 national championships from 90-2000. They are a program that is used to being on the big stage and playing for titles, something they failed to do in the last years of Bowden's reign.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: King Koopa]
#597338 - 11/17/11 05:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ive always been in favor of a player stipend.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597437 - 11/18/11 12:57 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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and i've always been in favor about universities being about academics. On the note of wrong forum, i have started to only post marijuana related stories in the news forum because the rules say news stories there should be related to such things. If you read the article you would see that little side note that mentions athletics/football programs are not self sufficient and a lot of the reasons they even make so much is because they are tax exmempt. I personally don't think 'earning' that much for the school means they should make more, especially when only 22 schools in the ncaa are self sufficient with their programs (meaning technically their football program runs at a net loss for the university). I feel if anything extra proceeds from football should go back into the university considering many schools can't give their actual proffesors raises and have to make budget cuts. And i kind of think anyone that thinks differently is kind of insane. Aka all yalls.
1st off, I call bullshit on the 22 schools having profitable football programs. I would like to see where you came up with that number. I would bet almost every program has a profitable football program unless they count in a current stadium renovation or something like that.
And to talk about professors and education on the subject of college football coaches raises is kind of insane to me. So you are saying, a guy who earns your school millions and millions doesnt deserve a raise because there are teachers at the school who are not getting the same raises? Show me the college professor who brings in 25-50 million a year in revenue and then I will have his back.
I do agree teachers deserve raises, but it's just the economic time we are in. Football programs can continue to shell out that money because they bring in the revenue to support it
Anything else is comparing apples and oranges
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597461 - 11/18/11 05:20 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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and then two people ignore my point that most football programs don't even make a profit for the college, most actually cost he college money. So what about that? I mean this point is literally in the article above so you're just ignore that it really costs them money and saying 'they make the college money' when the money the program earns goes straight back into the program mostly to pay the coaches ridiculous saleries.
proof?
because you are wrong.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597485 - 11/18/11 09:05 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I suggest you learn how to read
Only 20% of ATHLETIC PROGRAMS.
It is a well known fact that many other athletic programs at universities lose money; gymnastics, swimming, track, wrestling, some of the smaller sports
FOOTBALL is a profitable part of probably every single major university. That's why they are in place.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: still beLIEve]
#597547 - 11/19/11 11:22 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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well, i wish you would of mentioned that when i was already saying that and it obviously came from the article instead of leting me post the same thing like you guys were a brick wall. Regardless i still think that the profits from footbal should be spread out across the university, even to the non profiting programs. Letting a COACH make 1 million to 5 million dollars is ridiculous. All he does is coach, not a big deal at all it the greater scheme of things. Sure maybe he should make like 100-200 grand, but that's still a riduculous amount of money imo that's so much money most people wouldn't know what to do with it. And considering the tax payers are getting screwed from all these funds being non-taxable either it should help universities get better equipment for classes or help increase proffesor sallery since many of them can't get a raise with how much education programs have been getting cut. I'm just realizing that training future scientists, teachers, engineers,etc... Are all more important than being in charge of a team tha plays a game a lot of people want to watch. I mean football is fine and all to watch, but it's not the lease bit important in the grand scheme of things.
i totally feel where your coming from
but do you not get that without a coach the team would not be as good?
that a good coach directly correlates with a winning and profitable football program?
seems like its a small price to pay for what he actually brings in. and the notoriety he brings the school.
exactly
TONS of students go to schools based on their athletic programs, and the most popular being football and basketball
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597559 - 11/19/11 12:15 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Because they GENERATE 20 million plus in revenue. They EARN that money
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597566 - 11/19/11 01:33 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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If I was doing a job that resulted in 20+ million in profits, I would be wanting my fair cut. I think anyone would
Especially when you consider the spotlight coaches are in every single week and the average shelf-life of their careers
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Thebooedocksaint]
#597580 - 11/19/11 03:47 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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The fact that you dont think people should be paid based on how much money they make or earn for their business is retarded. plain and simple
"Let's pay this group more because they are teaching our children and maybe one of them will turn out to do something great."
You are thinking with you emotions and not common sense.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: still beLIEve]
#597586 - 11/19/11 04:08 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd be ok with it if they actually used funds from programs to help the college in practical ways, but that's not the case.
You dont think the 20 million+ that the football program generates goes toward the college at all besides more football?
I dont know that, but i find it hard to believe.
In which case a good football team would indeed help the college in making money for it in other aspects.
Again, all coming back to the coaches doing a good job..
I agree with what KP said, with you thinking emotionally and not with common sense.
I agree that in the scheme of things education is more important, that being said our country loves entertainment and football generates money that the college needs.
Right, like there is some red line that says no money generated from the football program goes to education. I bet a large portion of it does
And if you eliminate that source of giant revenue then you have to lay off even more teachers and charge students even more money to learn.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Stoneth]
#597587 - 11/19/11 04:09 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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see the thing is, i view them asking money for it as wrong. The point is i think it is wrong for foorball coaches to earn more than proffesors. And i think the amount they earn is outrageous. Their value is very little in the big picture. That's my point and i lol at you all for disagreeing honestly. I really don't care at all how much their program makes, and them being in the spotlight should be a bonus to working. Not a reason to pay them more. If someone is going to act morally corrupt and they are in the spotlight that's what they get for being a scumbag.  the fact you guys disagree is hilarious i think, people shouldn't profit that much from such a pointless job. Oh well, maybe the ncaa will restrict coach salaries some day. I can only dream of such a day.
I fully support what you're saying.
In fact it's these salaries that are raising the price of college educations across the US now.
But I guess KP feels his education should cost more because the football team needs a over payed coach, tho most of his players won't even make the pros.
No because if it werent for the money the football program brought in for the school in the first place, education would cost much more.
2 million generates 20-50 million
no football generates nothing and therefore leaves a 20 million dollar budget hole.
edit- and it's only the top tier programs that are paying their coaches like that. That's because they are the ones bringing in the 40-55 million range + the 3-4 million from a possible Bowl Game
Just look at it this way. If you were a coach, making a school 50 million a year and they were trying to pay you 100,000 a year.. Wouldnt you be fucking pissed?
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Stoneth]
#597593 - 11/19/11 07:18 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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no football generates nothing and therefore leaves a 20 million dollar budget hole.
And I guess this is why schools without sports program generally cost less to attend.
Yeah, I bet a football coaches salary makes a huge difference in the overall cost of attendance 
You and OP keep switching between "football coaches" and "sports programs". they are not the same thing, to bunch every sports team together and call it the football program is ridiculous.
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Re: Salaries for college football coaches back on rise [Re: Stoneth]
#597596 - 11/19/11 07:59 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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You's a funny man.
Is football not a sport?
Would it have made you feel that much better if I said schools without football programs generally cost less to attend?
It is but it is one of the few profitable branches of the athletics department.
schools without football programs generally cost less because they are inferior institutions. if you care to argue to start naming schools without football and compare them to Harvard, Yale, USC, Notre Dame, and the list goes on and on... Better schools have better quality stuff for their students.
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