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#578236 - 08/14/11 10:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Has terrifying political stances.
Discuss.
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I always found him to have the least terrifying stances. I guess he would be terrifying if you have a vested interest in all the hegemony.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: drawde]
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What do you mean by terrifying?
He certainly owned everyone in that debate 
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Don't make me start.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner] 2
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I doubt you'll find any candidate whom you would agree with across the board. Ron Paul is one of the few people who sticks to his principles of states rights, rather than compromise those when it comes to social issues such as abortion or gay marriage like other so called republicans.
I don't agree with everything but upon comparing him to everyone else, well there's not much of a choice. I would even go to say that if a candidate has a serious opinion about gay marriage and abortion other than it should be decided by the states that instantly disqualifies them in my mind. If they can't stay true to the constitution in that instance then why should I trust them with anything else?
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day. 
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: THEBats] 3
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He is the only person in Washington DC who will even begin to address our nations real problems instead of playing political circle-jerk.
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i agree.
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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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He's also pro-life among other things.
He also supports lower tax rates, which I don't support.
He also supports an opt out program for Social Security. The problem is we have old people that already paid in, and get money from the new people that are paying in. So if people opt out the oldies are either fucked, or the gov has to pay it out of taxes (which i don't really care it's whatever to me, but he's against raising income tax.
I mean, the top 2 things kind of are what makes it impossible for me to vote for him; and they are the terrifying parts to me. I could say more but i gotsta smoke.
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I will say this though, I like him as a congressman. I genuinely like most of the shit he proposes, i just don't want him in the executive branch because my ideologies differ too much.
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You are pursuing a career as a public leech. I see why you would feel that way.
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Kinda harsh words for the smoke lounge bro.
if you agree with Ron Paul on the issues listed you can kindly say in a civil manner. But you know whatever, just be rude like you tend to be.
I'll just know you don't have any actual rebuttal to my point, and want to name call/troll.
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Kinda harsh words for the smoke lounge bro.
aw you mad bro?
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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Rick perry is better because he only boasts the largest economic growth in the country without an income tax might I add.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner]
#578354 - 08/14/11 05:14 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rick Perry is bullshit. All the growth was in menial labor jobs, not much of significance.
I will try to get some data to back this up if I'm called names, otherwise I'm far too lazy.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner]
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Kinda harsh words for the smoke lounge bro.
aw you mad bro?
It would have to be true to make me mad.
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Rick perry is better because he only boasts the largest economic growth in the country without an income tax might I add.
I lol'd.
I just hate republicunts, because i'm opposed to about 90% of the things they do. The Kansas state government doesn't make me like them any more either.
Sam Brownback is just plain stupid.
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Rick perry is better because he only boasts the largest economic growth in the country without an income tax might I add.
I lol'd.
Not a surprising stance coming from a seed of the woodlands.
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Yes, Ron Paul is pro-life but he clearly states that the issue should be decided by the states, not the federal government. As far as lower taxes, that has to do with the federal level. He could care less about individual states and their decisions.
Which I partly agree with, though I think we need a more universal, well funded education system. We have too much disparity between states as far as the quality of education goes in our public schools.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: THEBats]
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I tend to not be pro states right. To me all that does is hinder progress. See: Jim crow laws.
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Well, to reword that so nobody gets me wrong.
I'm not anti federal essentially, i like states power as it is now.
I already knew he also wants states to decide it.
I personally don't want to live in kansas if the feds have no power over them, and kansas legislature has the end all with laws/regulations here.
All it would do is cause the democrats to flee red states, and republicans to flee blue states. Idk if mixed states would cause to much pressure on people to leave or if it would tip to one side eventually. I would have to go to Colorado or something.
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Rick perry is better because he only boasts the largest economic growth in the country without an income tax might I add.
I lol'd.
Not a surprising stance coming from a seed of the woodlands.
lol. You guys are really funny you know that?
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But then you create too many complications between the cultures of the individual states and the federal government. See: marijuana laws.
Also jim crow laws could easily be argued unconstitutional, obviously. Just because you're pro-states rights doesn't mean any individual state can just make up any laws it pleases. The laws still have to follow the federal constitution. However with giving the federal government excess power it has exceeded the original expectations of its power circle.
Obviously some things should be managed at the federal level, for instance it was a poor situation having states have their own individual currency. But the vast majority of things create inequality when argued at the federal level. You have situations like in California where a state majority has decided on a law yet the federal government has the power to override what the people have voted on.
Also laws are notoriously difficult to overturn at the federal level.
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kickin-two-hundo said:
you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Limit rights in the name of progress. See where it has gotten us.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: THEBats]
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But then you create too many complications between the cultures of the individual states and the federal government. See: marijuana laws.
Also jim crow laws could easily be argued unconstitutional, obviously. Just because you're pro-states rights doesn't mean any individual state can just make up any laws it pleases. The laws still have to follow the federal constitution. However with giving the federal government excess power it has exceeded the original expectations of it power circle.
Obviously some things should be managed at the federal level, for instance it was a poor situation having states have their own individual currency. But the vast majority of things create inequality when argued at the federal level. You have situations like in California where a state majority has decided on a law yet the federal government has the power to override what the people have voted on.
And I tend to disagree, I think marijuana laws should also be up to the fed's. I'm pretty against making laws based on morality with no victims. And honestly I don't understand how it is not easily said to be unconstitutional.
>And on the note of cali i totally agree they don't have the right to make it legal but it's whatever. I also agree it should be legal so i'm just not going to plan on joining the DEA.
Really I view most issues like prohibition of fairly harmless drugs just the product of stupidity (read: ignorance, i just like the word stupid more).
MAYBE I could be ok with states get -some- more rights (like have it be ok to have state laws overrule federal). But that's an issue for another day. because i gotta go.
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But wouldn't it make more sense to allow federal laws to over-rule state laws, but limit their power to do so according to the constitution?
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And I tend to disagree, I think marijuana laws should also be up to the fed's. I'm pretty against making laws based on morality with no victims. And honestly I don't understand how it is not easily said to be unconstitutional.
Marijuana laws are only unconstitutional if you believe in states rights to decide on the issue...
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: THEBats]
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Throw out the constitution, start a federal totalitarian corpocracy with a planned economy, that is going to fix all our problems. How can anyone advocate for the status quo when it has so obviously failed the people?
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You're way too radical bro. Ease up a bit.
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I am radical brah, I'm through with statist bullshit, if I don't pay some fat idiot bureaucrats taxes he will send some douche bag with a complex and a gun to my house to blow my head off.
I'm over my government Stockholm Syndrome.
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Rick Perry is bullshit. All the growth was in menial labor jobs, not much of significance.
So why is he the longest running governor in the U.S.? Or in Texas's history?
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner]
#578391 - 08/14/11 07:35 PM (13 years, 4 months ago) |
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Probably because he's good at what he does, but that doesn't mean he is doing good for everyone. Just an example of his crookedness: http://www.kbtx.com/home/headlines/5546651.html
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This is a very harsh conversation for the Smoke lounge, really guys ease up a bit, politics and ideologies are touchy and everyone has their own opinions, even if you completely disagree don't be a dick, just kindly disagree.
Anyways i think America has fucked its self a lot and we should start over, but the constitution away, and restart the government as quickly and without as much anarchy as possibly. Things just aren't going the way they should, lets just scratch it, and do things they way they should be.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: 420smoker]
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This is a very harsh conversation for the Smoke lounge, really guys ease up a bit, politics and ideologies are touchy and everyone has their own opinions, even if you completely disagree don't be a dick, just kindly disagree.
Anyways i think America has fucked its self a lot and we should start over, but the constitution away, and restart the government as quickly and without as much anarchy as possibly. Things just aren't going the way they should, lets just scratch it, and do things they way they should be.
I figure it's just cuz most of us posting here know we can fuck with each other.
I'm to tired/stoned to continue my previous point.
But i may post back in a few days, tomorrow is moving day for me though.
Peace out growerites for awhile.
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This is a very harsh conversation for the Smoke lounge, really guys ease up a bit, politics and ideologies are touchy and everyone has their own opinions, even if you completely disagree don't be a dick, just kindly disagree.
Anyways i think America has fucked its self a lot and we should start over, but the constitution away, and restart the government as quickly and without as much anarchy as possibly. Things just aren't going the way they should, lets just scratch it, and do things they way they should be.
I figure it's just cuz most of us posting here know we can fuck with each other.
I'm to tired/stoned to continue my previous point.
But i may post back in a few days, tomorrow is moving day for me though.
Peace out growerites for awhile.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner]
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We can fuck with each other, but we gotta know our limits im not trying tell you guys what to do... Im just trying to mediate 
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: 420smoker]
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I spend a lot of time on Reddit defending libertarian principles, and then I come here to check shit out and see I have to do it again, my level of rigor here isn't the same.
Government and the Stockholm Syndrome - Paul Clark
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We can fuck with each other, but we gotta know our limits im not trying tell you guys what to do... Im just trying to mediate
Oh I know. Just was sayin'.
I should of made this in the dome with the level of ranting I desired. However I'm pretty over it at this point.
Only posted here because yea.
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I spend a lot of time on Reddit defending libertarian principles, and then I come here to check shit out and see I have to do it again, my level of rigor here isn't the same.
Government and the Stockholm Syndrome - Paul Clark
I like libertarian policies usually, just i don't like RP for prez. Worst things could happen, it's just not going to be my vote. Then again anyone on the republican ticket would get the same treatment.
One thing i have thought about is if Ron Paul did become prez.
How many Veto's you think he would get?
>Implying the house/senate would pass anything in the first place.
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I assume he would try to veto whatever he felt was unconstitutional.
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I assume he would try to veto whatever he felt was unconstitutional.
I'm just curious how many bills that would be.
This isn't even me trying to knock him on it.
I'm just curious. lol
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A lot, depending on how fiscally conservative congress goes next time around.
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A lot, depending on how fiscally conservative congress goes next time around.
I'm personally figuring congress isn't going to swing much right, but maybe that's my left wing bias.
I'm just hate house republicans with such a passion I don't know how anyone could (by that i mean what's goin on this class of congress).
But Would be entertaining.
I mean if RP got prez chances are congress could get a large right winged style class too.
There is still another year for congress to win voters back though, nothing is exactly set in stone. And people will forget about the debt ceiling stuff fairly quickly i assume if they haven't been watching the news and listening to it all day every day.
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Some economist are saying we might have to have another debt ceiling fiasco before 2012.
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Some economist are saying we might have to have another debt ceiling fiasco before 2012.
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The mainstream media isn't even acknowledging paul.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner]
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If anything it add to his credibility, he is a threat to our corporate owned media's overlords.
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I dont think he has a chance
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: sean]
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See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: iStoner]
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The mainstream media isn't even acknowledging paul.
Lolwut?
That's not even true at all.
As someone who watches CNN/HLN/MSNBC pretty much 24/7 as i go about my day (mostly gaming) I will say CNN specifically talk about him a good deal. MSNBC has mentioned him plenty. Talking about his polls, libertarian this and that.
They also don't trash him nearly as much as the other "right wing hopefuls."
Idk, i honestly prefer RP than any other republican candidate hands down though. You should take that last comment with a grain of salt though.
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Regardless if he wins or not, his inclusion in the race would shift the rhetoric to real issues. It's a win-win for America.
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Magash
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The press takes Ron Paul just as seriously as they did the last two times he ran for President. Which is not at all. His own party doesn't even take him seriously. Most likely cause he doesn't stand a chance in hell of winning.
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DungenessDank
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Magash]
#579220 - 08/18/11 03:26 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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The reason they don't take him seriously is because he have a feedback loop in the media and it goes like this:
Corporations -> Media -> Government -> Corporations
Ron Paul is a threat to the corporations who depend on government subsidies and legislation to reap huge profits off consumers and destroy their competition. These same corporations are also the sponsors/owners/affiliates of all of our major cable news networks, and not surprisingly the candidates themselves. So it is no surprise that they would portray him as some sort of fringe candidate, while talking up their other corporate sponsored candidates.
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Magash
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If his results running for president are like the last two times he ran nobody esp corporations, media, and Government see him as a threat to anything.
I'd actually like to see him win but I'm not gonna fool myself.
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THEBats
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: Magash]
#579298 - 08/18/11 08:58 PM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ron Paul needs a superPAC.
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you know what i did in english class? I came to class stoned out of my mind every day, i chugged vodka in the back of class, i put dead fish in the ceiling tiles. i put a gallon of old milk and orange juice in the file cabinet before winter vacation. i brought snakes in a tied up sweater and let them loose during class. i didnt go to school to learn, i went because i had to. i didnt care, and i didn't fucking listen to that stupid bitch. and i still don't fucking care. i tore the pages out of her books and burned them, and threw away all the books in the class, two books per day.
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Re: Ron Paul [Re: THEBats]
#579359 - 08/19/11 09:13 AM (13 years, 3 months ago) |
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