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 smurf_master
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My point, there is more to go wrong with synthetic drugs.
Your body does not utilize synthetics the same way as natural or whole food molecules.
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The whole natural vs synthetic thing is such a crock of shit.
You make this argument in a post about synthetic drugs killing people? Lol
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As far as I know, there is no conclusion on the exact problem here. It maybe mislabeled. It may have been tainted. The thing is, that people died off of this chem. Whatever it was!
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Ben18
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how did you get before and after pics of coaster's girl?
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niteowl
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http://www.madrigalmaniac.com/2011/03/22/man-arrested-in-blaine-mn-2c-e-death/
3rd paragraph, sigh....
“These dangerous drugs pose serious risks to the public and have tragically killed and injured Minnesotans,” Klobuchar said in a prepared statement. “These drugs should be made illegal and the chemicals used to make them should be banned so that they can no longer be easily purchased online and in stores around the country. We need to take action now before these substances endanger any more lives.”
Yea, that mentality has never stopped anyone from getting high.
The proper way to stop this kind of death is to regulate and tax all recreational drugs.
Its' the only way to insure that certain quality standards are met, and you're getting what you pay for.
This is the primary reason I shy away from these new synthetic drugs, because you never really know wtf your taking.
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smurf_master
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This is the primary reason I shy away from these new synthetic drugs, because you never really know wtf your taking.
Also why I shy away from processed foods.
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There is a reason they call them research chemicals.
I tried 2C-E once but had serious nausea. RC's should be used with caution, I have never ingested a drug that caused as much nausea as 2C-E.
LSD is usually synthesized from Ergot. DMT is extracted from naturally occuring plants. MDMA from sassafras, cocaine from Coca. The only semi synthetics I will use in moderation.
Meth does not have any natural components, neither do any of the 2C compounds as far as I know.
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mellowparty
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My point, there is more to go wrong with synthetic drugs.
Thats a huge generalization. Just because a molecule is synthesised via a biosynthetic pathway in a plant or a fungus doesn't mean jack shit. The reason organic chemicals exert a certain effect on the body is because they interact with the proteins of the organisms thats consuming them. In fact many of the psychoactive components in plants and fungi (e.g. cannabinoids and psilocybin) have evolved as a self defence against shit eating the plants/fungi.
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Your body does not utilize synthetics the same way as natural or whole food molecules.
You can't say that because you obviously know nothing about biochemistry and pharmacology. Many of the new synthetic drugs have been designed by modelling their molecular structure into their cognate protein interactor and have subsequently been tested for toxicity etc. There is an extremely huge number of organic chemicals because of the structural versatility of carbon and the chances are that most of them would cause some toxicity mediated harm. THC is cardiotoxic but I don't see anyone bitching about this one 
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smurf_master
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Keep on taking those synthetics. In 20 years when you have cancer of the aids, don't come crying.
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DungenessDank
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I don't know, there is nothing inherently worse for you strictly along the lines of synthetic/natural.
There are MANY natural poisons, way more than there are drugs and medicines.
The way they work on the body is really what determines their toxicity.
Let's see... Cocaine, Heroin, Speed, all derived from natural sources and in their refined state are known to be addictive and lethal.
Simply because of the difference in use frequency I can already predict that those drugs listed above have killed many times over the number of people synthetic drugs have, and will continue to do so indefinitely.
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mellowparty
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Keep on taking those synthetics. In 20 years when you have cancer of the aids, don't come crying.
Said the guy who has 0 knowledge in that area 
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smurf_master
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To each their own, I'd rather wait a few decades for the long term effects to come out before I subject my body to foreign chemicals.
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mellowparty
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But plant chemicals are foreign chemicals 
They do not belong to the xenobiotics class for no reason. They can also kill and give badass cancer and stuff.
Just cos it comes from teh earth doesnt make it safe. Educate yourself.
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smurf_master
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Well duh, but I'd rather be taking natural drugs than synthetic ones. That was the my whole point.
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mellowparty
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I'm guessing your talking about research chemicals with recreational properties. The ones that are hardly studied, mainly by Shulgin for example and a number of middle aged males that partake in RC assays. The same guys who post trip reports of obscure drugs. I had my fair share with RCs and I came to the conclusion that acid, weed, shrooms and DMT is all I really need and want.
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smurf_master
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I just want to get my hands on some pure dmt, and take that shit intravenously.
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2c-e is amazing stuff. Just know your source.
And just because a load of retarded kids didn't know what the fuck they were doing, dosn't mean that no one else should experiment with it. Yes it's an RC, but if your source is good, its pretty safe shit ime.
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mellowparty
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I just want to get my hands on some pure dmt, and take that shit intravenously.
who doesnt
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SpaceMonkey
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2c-e is amazing stuff. Just know your source.
And just because a load of retarded kids didn't know what the fuck they were doing, dosn't mean that no one else should experiment with it. Yes it's an RC, but if your source is good, its pretty safe shit ime.
NO, there seems to be more to it then overdosage. I lurk on a message board where vendors and users have been discussing this very subject. Here is a snippet from a member of the other board.………Quote:
Uncontrollable tremors (me) +Extremely uncomfortable sedation (my buddy described it as being pushed to the edge of sleep but unable to fall asleep, like an EXTREME fatigue) +Disturbing and highly irrational thoughts and fear despite a good mindset and proper set and setting, and no underlying mental issues between any of us (all of us) +Extreme sinking feeling and nausea (all of us) +Generalfeeling of impending doom (another buddy of mine)
This is from a vetran user who knows his stuff. And in this same discussion there have been other who relate to the discription. Also it seems like the original source was from a chinese lab. There is no definite conclusion on anything as of yet, other then people have died.
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still beLIEve
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RCs just always lack that special something to me.
theres a couple keepers that i think are legit.
but for the most part, im just about some LSD and DMT.
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niteowl said:
See, that term pedo gets thrown around a lot.
Is a 16 year old guy having sex w/a 16 year old girl a pedophile?
If not, then how is a 30 year old considered a pedophile for doing the same thing?
I think y'all need to look up the definition for pedophile.
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